Did she express herself particularly, during | the conversation, as to the money, or was it one general conversation as to the transaction itself? As to the transaction itself.

Was that wish of Mrs. C., that the matter might be kept secret, at the last interview you had with her about ten days ago? No, it was in the month of Sept. 1805, subsequent to the transaction in question.

How long previously to that interview had the money been transmitted? It was the day after the transaction was notified in the Gazette; I believe, the next morning.

Did Mrs. C., in expressing a wish that the transaction might be kept secret, express a wish that the D. of Y. might not know that you had any thing to do with it? Certainly.

Was not her wish expressed, that it might be kept a secret from the Public? From him, the D. of Y.

Repeat, as nearly as possible, the conversation that passed upon that subject? Upon my word, I do not see how I can exactly; it is a long while ago. It is impossible that I should repeat her words.

What expression did Mrs. C. use, that you now recollect, which enables you to state that it was not from the Public, but from the D. of Y. himself, that she wished it to be kept secret? She begged it might be kept a secret from the D. of Y. I do not know how to shape my answer in any other way; it is impossible to recollect every word that passed four years

ago.

Did she add to that request, or did she join with that request, that your having any thing to do with it might be kept from the D. of Y.? She was anxious that the whole transaction might be kept from him.

Did she say, or give you to understand directly, that the D. of Y. would object to your being a party in the transaction, more, probably, than to any other person? No.

you

Do know that this exchange took place in consequence of your application to Mrs. C.? I cannot say that I know it; it is impossible that I can say that, for the application had been in the War-Office some time previous to the transaction with Mrs. C.;/I should think it must have been in the Office from ten days to a fortnight, but I cannot speak exactly; but that is a fact very easily got at by reference to the

War-Office; the correspondence is to be found,

no doubt.

Did you ever ask Mrs. C. whether she applied to b. r. h. the D. of Y. to expedite that exchange? It does not occur to my mind that I asked her that question.

Did she ever say that she had applied to the D. of Y.? I understood that she had applied to the Duke, most certainly.

Did Mrs. C. appear more anxious that the transaction might be kept a secret from the D. of Y. than from the Public? The Public was never mentioned in the business.

cover, or with any letter from the Doctor? I do not remember:

When Mrs. C. told you, that unless the D: of Y. made terms, she would expose him; did she state what measures she was taking to expose the D. of Y.? No.

Do you recollect the expressions that she made use of? She stated that she had been ill treated by him, and deserted by him, and left in debt; and that if he did not pay those debts (I understood her so, however), she certainly would expose him.

(By Mr. Croker.)

Do you recollect whether you or Dr. T. first mentioned the name of Mrs. C., in the conversation you had together? I think it was Dr. T.; I became acquainted with her through him.

Was the interview you had in Sept. 1805 the first personal interview you had with Mrs. C.? Yes; but I will not be positive as to its being Sept.; it might have been the latter end of Aug.; it was the latter end of the year: That was the first interview you had with her? Yes, it was.

(By Mr. Wilberforce.)

Where did Mrs. C. reside when you sent the 2007. to her? I have already stated, in Glouces ter-place.

Had you any particular reason for sending the money early in the morning? No, no particular reason; I should have been sorry to have disturbed the family.

Upon this Mr. Fuller asked, Does the witness know of his own knowledge whether this Lady lived next the Tabernacle or not? (Laughter.)

Mr. Wharton put it to the Committee, whether such a question should be asked. (Cries of No! No! mixed with a roar of laughter.)

Mr. Lascelles then observed, that an hon. general, a member of that house, commanded the regiment into which col. Knight exchanged. He should be glad to know whether the exchange met with his approbation.

General Norton said, "I cannot speak applied to me, and explained himself very to the time, but col. Knight certainly fully and very satisfactorily to me, or I should not have recommended the exchange which I did."

EXAMINATION OF MRS. MARY ANN
CLARKE.

and Dr. T., since he has been examined in this House? Yes, he has been sitting with me nearly ever since.

To what purpose was that conversation bctween you? Not at all relative to this business, it has not been addressed to me, it has buen addressed to the two ladies with me, eutirely.

Repeat as much of that conversation as you can recollect? I could not repeat after Dr. T. if his character is known at all to the gentlemen here, it would be very indelicate; he has merely been laughing at the gentlemen here.

(By sir Thomas Turton.)

Do you know Mr. R. Knight, and how long have you known him? I know Mr. R. Knight; he took an opportunity of calling upon me, to thank me for getting his brother so quickly through the business, soon after I came to town, about a month or six weeks afterwards, in company with Mr. Biddulph.

Was it in the month of Sept.? I do not know exactly the month, it was soon after.

What was the conversation which passed between you at that meeting? It is so long since, it is impossible for me to recollect; but Mr. Knight thanked me for getting the exchange for his brother, as he had been trying some months before, and I did it so very quickly; and Mr. Biddulph had some favour to ask of me.

Did you, upon that occasion, desire Mr. R. Knight to keep secret this transaction? Yes; I should think that I did, certainly I should say that; I do not recollect saying it, but it is very likely that I did.

Do you recollect expressing a wish that it might be kept secret, lest it should come to the ears of h. r. h. the D. of Y.? O no, never. Or any thing to that effect? Nothing like

When you mentioned to the D. of Y., that you were to receive a compliment for promoting the exchange of commissions between these officers, did h. r. h. make any remark upon that; and if he did, what was it? He told me that he knew the business very well, that they had been trying at it some time, and that he thought one of them was rather a bad subject; but he would do it.

When you mentioned to the D. of Y., after the exchange had taken place, that you had received a compliment, and shewed him the note of which that compliment consisted, did h. r. h. then make any observation? Not that I recollect; it was finished.

(By the Attorney General.)

At what time was this application first made to you? Two or three days before it took place, or a couple of days.

Was it not gazetted on the Saturday? I do not recollect.

Can you be sure it was not more than three

days before it was gazetted, that the application was made to you? I do not think it was. I think I might guess at the time of the year.

What time of the year was it? His r. h. was going down to Weymouth on the night that I changed the note, which was the reason that I got the note changed; my servants could not get it changed, and his servant got it changed for me. Lord Chesterfield's family was going down, and he was going to be godfather to lord Chesterfield's child; it was the end of July or the beginning of August.

When did you first mention this transaction to col. Wardle? I mentioned it to others before I ever mentioned it to him.

When did you first mention it to col. Wardle? I do not recollect.

About how long ago? It must have been very lately.

Why do you say that it must have been very lately? Because I speak from the fact.

How long ago did you first mention it to col. Wardle? I should think within a month; he had heard it from other quarters than from me, and attacked me upon it.

Had you any knowledge of col. Wardle before he attacked you upon it? Yes, I had. What had led to your knowledge of col. Wardle before that time? Himself.

Are you speaking of a time before the attack he made upon you with respect to this transaction? Yes, I knew him before ever he attacked me upon this subject.

How long? I suppose six months.

Had you ever mentioned the transaction voluntarily to col. Wardle, till he attacked you upon it? He asked me if it was true, and I told him yes.

Had you stated this voluntarily of your own consent to col. Wardle, or only in answer to his enquiries? When Mr. Wardle told me he had heard of it, and mentioned the circumstance to me, I said yes, it was true; that was all I said; I did not think I should be brought here upon it, or I might have been very apt to deny it.

Would you willingly have concealed it? I concealed it from the beginning, it was not a public thing; certainly any thing which ought to be private, I have sense enough to keep as such. I believe Mr. Knight spoke of it himself-it had got round.

Who were those other persons that you spoke to of it, besides Mr. Wardle? A few of my friends, I do not recollect who; I am not without friends.

How came you to mention to a few of your friends, whom you cannot recollect, a transaction which you say ought to have been kept secret, and which you think came forward only from Mr. Knight's mentioning it? I did not say that I mentioned it, I said that my friends mentioned it, and that then I said it was all very true.

When you mentioned this transaction to col. Wardle, did you give the same account of it which you have given to-day? No, I did not.

I do

Which was the true account? Both. In what did the two accounts differ? not see that they differ at all; I did not enter so into detail as I do now.

Was the difference between your accounts, that you were shorter in the account you gave to col. Wardle, than in the account you have given to-day? Considerably.

Can you recollect the day on which Dr. Thynne applied to you? The day of the month or the day of the week?

Either? I do not, it was such a trifling af

Have you not told col. Wardle on what day Dr. Thynne applied to you? No, I have not. Did not you tell col. Wardle that the application was made to you on Thursday, and that it was gazetted on the Saturday? No, I did not; I might as well have said Tuesday as Thursday, I do not recollect any thing about days or dates.

Have you told the house now all that you told col. Wardle upon the subject? I have answered that before? I have told the house more than I have told him a great deal; I told them that I did not go into detail with him, and I have with the house.

Have you told the house every thing that you mentioned to him? Upon what subject? Upon this subject? Yes, I have, and a great deal more.

What have you told the house to-day, which you have not told col. Wardle? I mentioned it but slightly to him, and I have told every thing here that I recollect, except a slight conversation between h. r. h. and myself, which I suppose it is not necessary to repeat.

On the requisition of Mr. Brand, the witness was ordered to withdraw, and the hon. gentleman then stated, that the tendency of the Attorney General's questions was to impeach the veracity of Mr. Wardle, which he did not consider a fair course of procedure towards his hon. friend.

The Attorney General denied that such Whatwas by any means his intention. ever questions he had felt it his duty to put to the witness was with the sole view of impeaching her veracity alone, and he trusted what he had said, and what he would say, would convince the house of her whole story being a malicious fabrication, and not entitled to any credit. He was far from thinking that any thing he could say to expose her falsehoods could in the least affect the veracity of Mr. Wardle, and nothing could be farther from his intention.-The witness was then called in and re-examined.

(By the Attorney General.)

What circumstances have you mentioned to the house relative to this transaction, which you did not mention to col. Wardle? I did not mention to col. Wardle that I shewed the note to h. r. h. nor did I tell him that h. r. h. got change for it; it was for me that he got change, he was going out of town at one o'clock, and I at four, and I wanted the change, to leave some with my servants in town, and some I wanted with me. I did not enter into that detail with col. Wardle. Is that the only circumstance that you' have mentioned to the house and did not mention to col. Wardle? No, it is not.

State the other circumstances which you did not mention to col. Wardle.-I did not say much to col. Wardle at all, it was very trifling

what I mentioned to him: he had heard it from

other quarters, and asked me if it was true, and I said yes.

Had you any intention to have mentioned this, if col. Wardle had not asked you? It was in conversation it was mentioned.

Should you have mentioned this to col. Wardle, if he had not mentioned it to you? Perhaps I might, and perhaps I might not.

Had you any object in mentioning it either to him or to any other person? None, whatever. Had you any end to accomplish by making this known? Certainly not.

Have you ever stated, that you had any ground of complaint against h. r. h.? All my friends know that I have.

Have you ever stated to any one, that you had grounds of complaint against h. r.. h. ? Το many I have stated it.

Have you not stated, that if h. r. h. did not comply with your demands, you would expose him I told Mr. W. Adam, in a letter, that if he did not fulfil his promises, and the Duke's, by paying me the annuity, for which Mr. Adam was the guarantee, and which Mr. Adam promised me should be regularly and punctually paid me, that I should be necessitated to expose h. r. h.'s letters; that was all.

Have you never said that if h. r. h. did not come to your terms, you would expose him? No, never in my life.

Never to any one? Never to any one whatever; nor is it willing at all in me now, I was very angry in that letter, and perhaps Mr. Adam will produce it: that goes to the worst part that ever I said or acted.

Is it only in one letter that you have threatened to expose h. r. h.? Two I have written to Mr. Adam; that is all, to any one. Were there threats in both the letters They are not threats: I solicited.

Did you say in those letters, that would you expose h. r. h.? Mr. Adam, I suppose, has the letters; and, if he is in the house, will perhaps produce them.

Did you accompany your solicitations by saying, that if they were not complied with, you would expose the Duke? I do not recol

lect that I did, but you had better ask for the letters.

Did you never make any declaration of that sort to any other person? No, never.

Did you never state to any other person, that if your terms were not complied with, you would expose the Duke, or use any terms to that effect? I have told you before, I did not. Are you quite certain of that? Yes, quite. Did you ever tell Mr. Wardle that you wanted this 2001. for a particular purpose? No, I did not.

Did you not say to Mr. R. Knight, that if b. r. h. did not come into your terms, you would expose him? No, I did not.

Did you ever say any thing to that effect to Mr. R. Knight? No, I did not: I told him I was going to publish the Duke's letters, to pay the creditors, which h. r. h. had refused. H. r. h. had insisted, that I should plead my marriage to avoid the debts or that I might go to prison; that was bis last message to me.

When was that message sent? I should think six weeks or two months since; my lawyer can tell, the message went to him.

Who is your lawyer? Mr. Comrie was my lawyer.

Who was your lawyer then? Mr. Stokes, who lives in Golden-square.

He was your lawyer when that message was sent? He received the message and came with it to me.

Who carried the message to him? A man in the employ of Mr. W. Adam, a sort of lawyer.

Did Mr. Knight come voluntarily to you, or did you send for him? I was in the habit of writing to Mr. K., since we had been intimate, after the affair of his brother. I wrote him one or two letters, and told him where I lived, and told him to call when he came to town; I dare say he has the letters, which will resolve the question at once.

Did you not write to him, to desire him to come, particularly upon the occasion when you told him you should publish the Duke's letters? No, certainly, I did not.

Did you not send to him, to desire that he would call upon you, and when he came, tell him, that you intended to publish the Duke's letters? I must refer you to the letters; only a common sort of letter that I am in the habit perhaps of writing to many more gentlemen, besides Mr. K.

it was

You have mentioned, that you were advised to plead your marriage; are you married? It is of no consequence at all about my husband, that has nothing to do with it; Mr. Adam can tell who I am.

Are you a married woman or not? You have no reason to doubt it. [The Witness was informed by the Chairman, that she must give a direct answer to the question.] I am a married woman; there is no question which I will not answer, though it may be unpleasant.

How long have you been married? I refer you to Mr. W. Adam, he has my certificate.

[The Chairman informed the Witness she must give a direct answer to the question.]

How long have you been married? I believe 14 or 15 years.

Is your husband living? I do not know. Have you not sworn yourself to be a widow? His royal highness, a very short time since, when sent to him to ask him to send me a few hundred pounds, sent me word, that if I dare speak against him, or write against him, he would put me into the pillory, or into the Bastile. He fancies that I swore myself to be a widow woman when I was examined at a Court Martial. But the Deputy Judge Advocate had more feeling than the gentleman who has examined me now; he told me I might say any thing out of the Court which it might be unpleasant to me to swear to; I told him it would be very improper for me to say that I was a married woman, when I had been known to be living with the D. of Y. I did not swear that I was a widow, I said it out of Court, and it was put into the Court Martial Minutes as if I had sworn to it, but it was not so. Judge Advocate, to whom I told it, is at the door, and I think he had better be called in. I know now what he is come for.

The

Who brought that message from the Duke to you? A very particular friend of the D. of Y.'s. (a laugh.)

Who? One Taylor, a shoemaker in Bondstreet; very well known to Mr. Adam.

By whom did you send the request to the Duke for these few hundreds to which the Duke sent this answer by Taylor? By my own pen.

How did you send the letter? By this Ambassador of Morocco. (a laugh.)

What do you mean by this Ambassador of Morocco? The ladies shoemaker.

Was it a verbal answer that was brought to you, or a letter? A verbal answer, in Mr. Taylor's own language or the Duke's; I do not know which it was exactly, but those were the words that passed.

What is your husband's name? Clarke. What is his Christian name? Joseph, I believe.

Where were you married to him? At Pancras; Mr. A. can tell you. [The Chairman stated to the Witness, that he felt it his duty to inform her, that her manner of giving her answers, was extremely indecent, and unbecoming the dignity of the House: and that, if persevered in, it would call for a very heavy censure.]

Have you not said, that you were married at Berkhampstead? I did when I was laughing at Mr. A.

Did you not persevere in that story over and over again? No, I did not, I merely laughed at it.

Was it true or not, that you were married at Berkhampstead? I tell you I told it him laughing; and I told the Duke I was making a fool of him when I said that; for which h. r. h. said he was very sorry, for that he was entirely in Mr. A.'s clutches.