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Cross-examined by Mr. Cross. Q. Had you known the Prisoner, William Turner, before that time?

A. Yes.
Q. You have no doubt about his person

A. Not the least.
Q. You were not examined before I believe!
A. No.

Q. Where were you-were you in Derby last Thursdar and Friday?

A. Yes.

Mr. George Goodwin, sworn.

Examined by Mr. Serjeant Copley. Q. I believe you are one of the managing clerks at the Butterley-works?

A. I am.

Q. In the month of June last, about how many men were employed at those works ?

4. About six or seven hundred in the employ of the Butterley Company ?

Q. In consequence of what you beard and observed in the course of the 9th of June, were any special constables sworn in on that day?

A. They were sworn in on Saturday the 7th.
Q. Were you sworn in as one of those constables ?

I Q. Did you, in consequence of information you had received, arm any of your men on the 9th.

A. We did.
Q. Did you take the direction and command of them?
A. PartlyMr. Jessop was with me.
Q. Where were the men ?
A. The greater part of them were at Ripley?
Q. Were you at Ripley yourself?
A. Yes.
Q. Till what time did you remain at Ripley?
A. Till day-light on the morning of the 10th.



Q. While there, did you


noises of any description?

A. I did.
Q. Of what description ?
A. Guns firing, and horns sounding.
Q. Where did they appear to be?
A. At Pentridge, and Pentridge-lane-end.
Q. At break of day you returned to the works?

A, We did. : Q. After you returned to the works did you see George Weightman?

A. I did.
Q. Tell us, as nearly as you can, at what hour ?
A. A little after three o'clock.
Q. Was he on foot, or on horseback ?
A. On horseback.
Q. Which way was he going?

4. He was going on the way from Pentridge to Nottingham.

Q. Did you speak to him?
4. I did; I called to him to stop.
2. Did he stop.
4. He did not; he just looked back and rode on.

Q. Shortly after he had passed did you see any men towards Pentridge?

A. I did: a body of about an hundred men, marching on the road from Pentridge to Butterley:

Q. Were they armed or unarmed?
A. Armed.
Q. How were they marching?
A. In regular order like a body of soldiers.
Q. In one or two lines?
4. They were two abreast in column.
Q. What did you do upon that?

A. They marched up in front of the house; the doors of the iron-works were closed; they marched up to the doors, and the Captain knocked at the gates.

Q. Were you inside the works at that time?
A. No, I was not.

Q. Where were you?

A. At the door of the office he first halted the men " To the right face, front."

Q. Upon that order did they front the office?
A. They did.
: Q. The office then was to their left ?
A. Yes.

Q: Before they made that movenient the office was to their right?

A. Yes. Q. After he had done this you say he knocked at the gate?

A. Yes. I asked him,“ What do you want--what is your object here?” he said, “ We want your men.”

Q. Was this through the gate, or did you come out'of the office ?

A. I was outside of the office the office faces.
Q. What did you say ?

A. I told them they should not have one of them; that there were too many already, without they were going for a better purpose.

Q. Did they return any answer to that?
A. No, they did not.
Q. What more passed

A. I told them to disperse ; that they might depend upon it the law would be too strong for them; that they were going with halters about their necks; that they would be hanged. Q. Did you see in the partý any whom you knew?"

A. I saw Isaac Ludlam the elder, James Taylor, and Isaac Moore; and a great' many others that I knew by sight; but I should not like to swear to them.'

Q. Did you speak to Isaac Ludlam?

A. I said, “ Good God! Isaac, what do you do here upon such an errand as this? Go home; you have got al halter about your neck; you will be hanged.”

Q. What answer did he make to that?
A. He said,

I cannot go back; I am as bad as be; I must-go on,”. He appeared exceedingly agitated.

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Q. You had men in the office at that time armed?
A. We had.

Q. Did you make any attempt or give any advice to these

persons as to the office ? 4. When we saw the rebels approaching, we ordered them to retire into the office and defend themselves there.

Q. To Isaac, Ludlam or the two other persons whose names you have mentioned, did you tell anything about the office?

A. When I told Isaac Ludlam to go home and leave them, I took him by the shoulder and pushed him towards the office.

Q. Could he have gone into the office?
A. He might.

Q. Did you do that to either of the other men whose names yoụ have mentioned ?

A. To both of them.
Q. Did either of them go into the office?
A. Neither of those.
Q. Did any of the party go into the office ?
A. Three went into the office,
Q. They remained there?
A. Yes.
Q. What then took place?

4. After a short pause, in which the two parties stood looking at each other, the Captain gave the word march, and took the men away,

Q. Did they proceed towards Nottingham or in the other direction ?

A. They proceeded towards Ripley. Q. That is upon the road to Nottingham ? A. Yes, it is the regular road to Nottingham. Q. When you get to Ripley, there is a regular road to. Nottingham ?

4. Yes,

Q. After they were gone, did you perceive any other party coming ?

A. Yes, there was another body came shortly after.

Q. Of how many did that body consist ?

A. Perhaps about forty, but they did not come near to us.

Q. Were they near enough for you to see whether they were armed ?

A. Yes, many of them were armed with pikes and guns.
Q. How soon after the first party?
A. About a quarter of an hour.
Q. Did they go on towards Nottingham.
A. They did.
Q. Did you see any other party besides those two ?
A. No considerable body.

Q. Did you see any other party going in the same direction ?

A. Yes.

Q. Did you see a person of the name of William Weightman?

A. Yes.

Q. How long was that after the second party had passed?

A. About half an hour, perhaps not quite so much.
Q. Was he on foot or on horseback?

A. He was on horseback; there was a young man named William Taylor along with him. I stopped him by laying hold of his bridle, and told him he should not go.

Q. Did you take anything from him ?
A. Yes, I took a bag of bullets from him.
Q. Have you got that bag of bullets here?
A. I have. (producing it)
Q. Where did he carry that bag of bullets ?
A. Upon the horse.
Q. Did you see them when you first took hold of him ?

A. No, I did not, they were on the off-side of the horse; when he turned the horse round then I saw them and took them.

Q. How many pounds weight of bullets were there !
A. About eighty-four.
Q. Are they made for different bores?
A. There are a great variety of sizes.

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