No bloody soldiers must he dread, The Government opposed must be.' Q. Do you remember a person of the name of Mac Kesswick coming into the room? A. Yes. Q. Did he make any observation upon coming in? A. Yes; he said, he thought there were too many there for that business. Q. I think you said that Turner came in some where about one o'clock ? A. Yes, it might be there about. Q. Do you recollect any person coming in with him, or about the same time? A. I do not know his Christian name, but he is an old man. Q. Can you tell me whether any paper was produced by any body? A. Yes; by William Turner. Q. What was that paper-Did any body read from it? A. He gave it to Ludlam. Q. What did he read from that paper? A. It was consisting of what guns they had got, and who had them. Q. Where? A. I do not know where. Q. What guns who had got? A. The men that they had pointed out to take them from. Mr. Denman. My Lord, we have had no notice to produce that paper: this is a paper supposed to be written by Turner that he produced. If Turner, the Prisoner, had read that paper, I am quite aware his reading might have made it evidence against him, whatever its contents; but when another person read that paper, I apprehend that cannot be evidence, unless the paper itself is produced or properly accounted for. Lord Chief Baron Richards. This is read by another person in his presence, therefore he must be conceived to be cognizant of what was read. Mr. Denman. It struck me at the moment, my Lord. Mr. Justice Dallas. Oh! you are quite right, Mr. Denman, ia taking the objection if it struck you. Mr. Clarke. What did they say? A. William Turner said they had forty spikes in a stone quarry, for the men that volunteered. Q. What else did Turner say, do you recollect? A. He said, they were to go from Wingfield, and Sheffield and Chesterfield were to meet them. Q. Was any thing said about the Wingfield people? Q. What was that? A. They were talking about drawing the badger. A. They said, they should take a bundle of straw and set it on fire before Mr. Halton's door, and as soon as they set it on fire he would come out, and as soon as he came out they were to shoot him. Q. Who said that? A. William Turner. Q. Do you recollect whether any inquiry was made about any list of arms from other places? A. Yes, they asked Q. Who asked ? A. William Turner;-he wanted to know where our list was. Q. What list? A. The list belonging to the Butterley people;—they told him they had none. He seemed to make game of them because they were not so forward as they were at Wingfield. Mr. Denman. Who said they had none? A. Cope.—He said that they were not so forward as they were; for that they went out to get pike-staffs in the day-time. Mr. Clarke. You said there was a talk of going to Colonel Halton's to draw the badger? A. Yes. Q. What else were they to do? A. Every one was to kill their own vermin. Q. Who said that? A. William Turner wanted Cope to go and help them: Q. To go where ? A. To Wingfield. Q. To go to help them to do what? A. He did not say exactly what they were going to do? Q. Who was it that said that every place was to kill their own vermin? A. William Turner. Q. What was it he wanted him to do? A. To go, I suppose Mr. Cross. Do not tell us what you suppose. Mr. Clarke. What were they to aid them to do? 4. They were to go to Colonel Halton's. Q. You have said that every place was to kill their own vermin ? A. Yes; Cope made him answer, and said he should not go-that they had enough to do at home. Q. Did old Ludlam say any thing? A. I do not remember his saying any thing in particular. Q. Was there any thing said about what they were to get at Nottingham ? A. That they were to get plenty of rum and beef, and one hundred guineas. Q. Who said that? A. Turner. Q. How did those persons appear as to their spirits at this time? A. They seemed in good spirits, and said there would be no good to us till such time as the Government was overturned. Q. Did they express any doubts whether they should succeed? 4. They said they had no doubt they would succeed in what they were going to undertake. Q. Was there a person of the name of Edward Moore there amongst them? A. Yes, Q. Can you tell me whether he took any part in the conversation? A. No, he did not appear to take any part in the business. They were talking one amongst another, and he was talking amongst the rest. Q. Do you remember any thing that he said? A. No, I do not. Q. Do you happen to know whether it was proposed to send any body off to Nottingham? A. Yes; there was money gathered for Joseph Weightman to go. Q. When was he to go? A. He was to go that night. Q. What was he to go there for? A. He was to go to see how they were getting on there. Q. What was Brandreth to be-what station was he to fill? A. He was to be Captain. Q. Was there any thing said about gunpowder-do you recollect? A. Yes, there was a barrel of gunpowder, and he wanted it produced. Q. What did Brandreth say ? A. He said there was a barrel of gunpowder which he wanted to be produced, so that he might learn them how to make cartridges, and as for lead, there would be plenty of lead upon the road. Q. Where? 4. Upon the churches. Cross-examined by Mr. Denman. Q. Have the goodness to tell me where you come from? A. I come from Sutton Colefield. Q. Where do you come from this morning A. I come from the Old Flower Pot. Q. You have been at that Inn in this town? Q. You have been living there? A. Yes. Q. How often, since you were here, have you talked this matter over with Martin? A. I never talked it over with him. Q. Have you not said something to him about it? A. Oh, yes. Q. You taught him the verses perhaps? A. No, I did not ;-he heard them the same as I. Q. You did not tell him the rest of the verses since he was here? A. No. Q. But you have been conversing with him? A. Some little. Q. Was it he who told you that Turner came in after ] you went? A. No. Q. You told us before that he was there when you came in? A. No, he came in after me. Q. You told as on Thursday that Turner was there when you first went? A. I might say so. Q. Then I ask you whether Martin has since told you that you swore falsely, and that it was not so? 4. He has not told me I swore falsely. Q. You have had no conversation with Martin as to the time when Turner came in? 4. I cannot say, indeed. Q. Cannot you recollect that you have had conversation with Martin about the time that Turner came into the room? A. I do not. Q. Then how came you to swear to-day that he was there when you first went, having sworn before that he was not? Mr. Gurney. He has not said that he did swear that. Mr. Denman. He says he might. Mr. Gurney. But I believe he did not. |