Q. Did you take any part in the deliberations? Q. What were you doing all these six hours? Q. Six hours to drink a pint of ale is a good while; had you any body you conversed with to relieve your solitude during that time? 4. There were several from our works; John Hart and Shirley Asbury. Q. Were they like yourself the audience, or part of the performers? 4. They called them into the house, and they called them into the parlour. Q. That is, Brandreth and the others called them into the parlour? A. I cannot recollect who called them into the parlour. Q. The parlour is the room where this conversation took place? A. The room was always open, there was no secret that I saw. Q. Was there any thing to prevent your going? A. Home? Q. Yes. A. No further than I wished to go back with the people that I came with. Q. With Cope? A. Not Cope particularly; I asked Shirley to go with me. Q. You went with Cope? A. Yes. Q. Did you go with any body else but Cope? A. No. Q. Then you were waiting till Cope had done his business? A. Yes. Q. And all the business he transacted there you were a quiet spectator of? A. I knew nothing about the business. Q. So when Cope had finished his business, you and Q. How far was the nearest justice at that time? Q. And so hearing that the Government was to be overturned, and war break out next day, you being a constable, with a justice within two miles, did not think it was a matter of yours? A. They had threatened any person's life that did any thing against them; that I was frightened. Q. Why, man, how should they do that, when you tell us they made no secret of it? A. They made no secret there, but they said that any person who did any thing against them, they should call on them another day. Q. You say they made no secret of it; what then do you mean by saying they did not care who heard it, and then. that they threatened that if any man divulged it he should be shot? A. Because they thought nothing would turn them. Q. Then where was the harm of your going to tell a Justice of the Peace that which they were publishing to all the world? A. I did not understand any thing about going to tell a Justice of the Peace; I was only a special constable. Q. You being only a special constable, you did not understand it was your duty to call the attention of a Justice of the Peace to it? A. I told them to take care what they said many times, that I was a constable. Q. I ask you whether you mean to swear, that being a special constable, you did not understand that it was your duty to let a Justice of the Peace know what was going on? 4. I did not; I was only sworn in constable the day before, on the Saturday night. Q. We are to understand you were so inexperienced as a special constable as not to know it was your duty to communicate this matter to a Justice of the Peace? A. I did not understand. Q. Now, upon your oath, did not you know that you were sworn in as a special constable for that express purpose? A. 1 did not know that I was, excepting there were some riotous disturbances. Q. What became of your friend Cope on Monday? A. I do not know what became of him on Monday; I was not with him, I was at work. Q. And he was off, was he? A. I do not know where he was. Q. When you got Cope alone, on your way home, did you take him before a Justice, or admonish him at all? A. No. Q. Did you spend your evening with him? A. No; I went home. Q. The constable and the traitor arm-in-arm, as friends together? A. No, we were not arm-in-arm. Q. Not exactly arm-in-arm, but you kept together pretty nearly. A. We were together on the road. Q. And you never found fault with him, and had no objection perhaps? A. I had nothing to do with him, he did not say any thing to me upon that piece of business on the road. Q. Nor you to him? A. No; I did not know nothing at all about it till I was going to Pentridge. Q. That I did not ask-now you are shuffling off; the question is, whether anything passed between you and him as you left the public house? A. No, nothing at all. Q. Perhaps you thought there was nothing in it? A. I did not know what to think about it. Q. You did not know what they were about? A. Not exactly. Q. Cope did not understand any more than you perhaps what they were about? Mr. Gurney. What he thinks another thought cannot be evidence. Mr. Cross. It did not appear to you that the poor fellows understood what they were about? Z A. I cannot speak to that. Q. Were they drinking much? A. They had all some little liquor, but they did not drink much. Q. Six hours as well as yourself? A. Some of them. Q. Some of them had been at it all night? A. I cannot say anything to that. Q. They had no arms? A. I did not see any arms. Q. You left between three and four? A. Yes. Q. So that the greatest part of what you heard in that room was over before Turner the Prisoner came? A. Yes, part of it was. Q. And the greatest part too, was not it;-you went at nine, and he did not come till between one and two? A. There was part of it over, but not the greatest part, I think? Q. Can you distinguish clearly what happened before, and what happened after his arrival ? A. No, I cannot. Q. But as to Brandreth's expression about overturning the Government, you say fairly the Prisoner was not there to hear it? A. I cannot say whether he was there or not. Q. As to those verses that were repeated, Brandreth repeated those? A. Yes. Q. And you caught them up directly, did you? Q. Where did you get the rest? A. He gave Cope a paper and I saw the paper day, Shirley Asbury had one. the next Q. What you have recited to the Court to-day, and could not recite before, you learned from a paper you saw on the Monday? A. I saw the paper on the Sunday. Q. And you learned it on the Monday? A. Yes. Q. To whom was that delivered? A. There was one delivered to Shirley Asbury, one to Elsden, one to George Weightman. Q. Which of them shewed you one? A. John Elsden, on the Monday. Q. Where have you been learning this since you were here last, you could not recollect it then? A. I recollected it as soon as I went out. Q. Nobody has reminded you? A. No. Q. For what purpose did you learn them by heart? A. People was asking what it was, and I recollected in of time what it was. a space Q. For what purpose did you learn them by heart? Q. That you might keep the secret lest they should shoot you? A. Yes. Q. You got them by heart in order that you might be sure to keep them secret? A. I did not mind about keeping them secret, when I got them off they were spoken openly in the place. Q. Was that the whole of it? A. The whole for what I know. Q. That was the whole of what you heard? A. Yes. Q. You cannot say that you saw the Prisoner amongst them on Monday when they came to Butterley? 4. No, I cannot. Re-examined by Mr. Serjeant Vaughan. Q. You say that part of the conversation was over, but did the same sort of conversation continue after Turner came into the room? A. Yes. Q. Were they talking on the same subject? Mr. Cross. We cannot hear any thing of the subject of the conversation, nor the quality of the conversation that passed after the Prisoner came in; this is put into a |