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Cross-examined by Mr. Cross.

Q. You have stated that you did prevail upon some of these men to withdraw from the mult tude; how many of them do you think?

4. Three of them did withdraw.

Q. Upon your persuasion ?

A. They did withdraw; I did not force them at all particularly.

Re-examined by Mr. Gurney.

Q. The men you did address did not withdraw, but others did?

A. Yes.

Mr. Cross. Did not those men who quitted leave in consequence of your persuasion ?

A. Certainly, in consequence of what I said.

Mr. Gurney. Could the three whom you addressed have withdrawn from the insurgents, and taken refuge in your premises if they had pleased.

A. Certainly, for they were as close to the works as I was myself.

Mr. Cross. I would beg to put another question; you know Isaac Ludlam, the elder?

A. Yes.

Q. I believe he was at that time a pauper receiving relief?

A. Not that I know of.

William Roper, sworn.

Examined by Mr. Serjeant Copley.

Q. I believe you live at the entrance on Nottingham forest.

A. I live about the centre of it, at the stand.

Q. Is that stand upon the race-course ?

A. It is between the race-course; it is an oval course, and that is upon the centre.

Q. The race-course runs round the stand where you live? A. Yes.

Q. I understand you to say, that is on Nottingham forest? A. Yes.

Q. Do you remember, on Monday night the 9th of June last, being at Nottingham, at Dennis's?

A. Yes.

Q. Is that a public house?

A. Yes.

Q. While you were at Dennis's, did you see any person come to the door?

A. No, I did not that I recollect.

Q. Did you see any person come to the house?

A. No; only it was reported-—

Q. Then I will not ask you to it; what time did you leave the house?

A. About half past eleven.

Q. To go home?

A. Yes.

Q. Were you alone?

A. No.

Q. Who was with you?

A. A person by the name of Percival; William Percival.

Q. How far is Nottingham from your house?

A. I should think about three quarters of a mile.
Q. In going home, did you meet persons on the way?
A. Yes, a great many.

Q. When you got on or near the race-course, were you stopped by any person?

A. No.

Q. Did anybody stop you and speak to you?

A. Yes, I was stopped, but not at first.

Q. Did anybody stop you before you got home?

A. Yes.

Q. How far from your own house were you stopped.

A. At the entrance of the race-course.

Q. Was that by one person or more?

A. By two.

Q. Did they speak to you.

A. The two first did not at the first entrance.

Q. I ask you whether any persons stopped you, you say two persons,-I ask you whether those persons spoke to you?

A. No: we were met first of all by two persons.
Q. Were you afterwards stopped by any person?
A. Yes.

Q. Was that one person or more?

A. One person.

Q. Did that one person, who stopped you, speak to you? A. Yes.

Q. What do you mean by being stopped?

A. He asked me where I was going, we told him we were going home; he said that we must not go on that way, we asked him which way, he pointed directly

Q. Some conversation passed which induced you to stop; we do not want the particulars?

A. Yes.

Q. Notwithstanding what he said, you pursued your course homewards?

A. Yes.

Q. Before you got to the stand and to your own house, did you see anybody else?

A. We met several.

Q. Did you meet any number of persons together?
A. We passed them.

Q. Did you see any number of persons together?
A. Yes.

Q. How many might there be altogether that were thus collected?

A. I should think about an hundred.

Q. Were they scattered about or standing in any particular way?

A. They were standing in line.

Q. In one single line or drawn up?

A. Two deep.

Q. Had they anything with them?

A. Yes.

Q. What?

A. They had pikes with them, part of them, or some thing resembling pikes-poles.

Q. You could see that there were poles?

A. Yes.

Q. As nearly as you can tell; let us know what time of the night this was?

A. I should think it was a little before twelve.

Q. You say you passed them; after you had passed them did anything happen.

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A. About ten of them with pikes followed us, and as we were turning off the course, they stopped us.

Q. When you say they stopped you, in what manner did they stop you?

A. They brought their pikes to a charge, and charged

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Q. Without going into detail, did you afterwards see the same men near your house?

A. I believe them to be the same men.

Q. Did you see men with arms?

A. Yes.

Q. About the same number?

A. Yes.

Q. Is there a shed projecting from your house?

A. Yes.

Q. Did they come under that?

A. Yes.

Q. Were they loose or in line?

4. They were loose when they came up, but they formed under the piazzas in line.

Q. You have told us it was about twelve o'clock when you saw them, what time did they leave the forest, or your house rather.

. About two:

Q. You did not see them after two?

A. No, I did not see them after about twelve.
Q. Did you hear them?

A. Oh yes.

Q. When did you cease to hear them?

A. About two.

Q. Did they leave anything when they went away?

A. Yes.

Q. What was it?

4. They left a pole.

Q. Was there anything at the end of it?

A. No.

Q. During the time they were under the shed were you in the house?

A. Yes.

Q. Did they knock at the door?
A. Yes.

Q. Did they demand anything
A. Yes.

Q. What?

A. They asked me if I had not got some fire-arms. I told them yes. They told me I must deliver them up to them. I told them I would not. They said if I would not they should be under the necessity of taking them. Q. Were you inside the door?

A. Yes.

Q. On your refusing them, what did they say?

Mr. Denman. My Lord, I must object to this, though it is competent to my learned Friends to ask as to a ge neral rising, I submit it is not competent to my learned Friend to ask as to any particular expressions passing at that time, for it is impossible to say how those declarations may introduce facts, on hearsay, nor does it appear to me that those declarations bear on the question, as it affects this prisoner with respect to what was taking place at Pentridge and other parts of this county. It may be very proper to shew that there were risings at different places at the same time, but I do object to anything further than general evidence upon that subject. It is quite

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