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Q. What further in reference to getting this land?
A. Mr. Goddard asked me if I had any minutes of good pine lands?
Q. Did you give him any?
A. I gave him some minutes on the S. E. 4 of Sec. 16, 24 north, 3 west.
Q. Just state whether they were those two fractions, and what number they are [showing witness a book],—whether they were numbers five and six ?
A. Lots No. 5 and 6.
The Presiding Officer-The Senate will take an informal recess for ten minutes.
The Presiding Officer--The Honorable Managers will proceed.
Question. You stated you gave the minutes of this land to Mr. Goddard ; is it E. G. Goddard ?
Answer. Yes, sir.
Q. Will you state whether Mr. Goddard made application for that land, immediately?
A. Yes, he wrote a letter.
Mr. Shipman-We object. We object to the question because it calls for secondary evidence, and there is better evidence of the fact. If they claim the letter was destroyed, let them say so, and then the next evidence would be either the man who wrote it or the man who read it. If the letter was sent to the Commissioner's office, a request should be made to produce it; and if it is not produced, possibly then secondary evidence might be produced. But it seems to me, at this time the evidence is inadmissible.
Mr. Manager Grosvenor-We have attempted to show, by a clerk in the office, that after a careful deposit of that paper in a depository in the office, the only two places it can be found in the office—the letter-book and the boxes—and they are not there, I submit that, if we went to the proper repository in the office, it is equivalent to examining the whole office. No court would require every paper in the office to be examined, before it would say that it was not there. We think we have made a prima facie case, and we have asked them to produce it. We ask from the witness the contents of this paper,—that was the paper Griswold was interrogated about,-and we have asked them to produce it; and I understand they don't require any written notice.
The Presiding Officer-At any other time than just the present, has there been any request?
Mr. Manager Grosvenor-Not formally, but this morning there was an hour's time expended with one of the witnesses on the stand, to find the paper.
Mr. McGowan-The proof of the loss of this letter was only made by the clerk Griswold, and it will be borne in mind that Griswold testifies that with that department of the office, he had no knowledge of, and was not familiar with it, and that he made the search where he supposed it was.
The Presiding Officer-It is the opinion of the Chair that there has not been sufficient showing to entitle you to go into that. The witness never saw the letter.
Mr. Manager Grosvenor-Yes, he said he saw the letter.
The Presiding officer-Very well, I will sustain the objection on the other ground. I will take a vote of the Senate, if desired.
Senator Ball I would like a vote of the Senate upon it.
The Presiding Officer-The question is, Shall the question asked by Mr. Manager Grosvenor be put to the witness? Those of you in favor will, as your names are called, respond Aye; those opposed, No.
Senator Wheeler-Do the gentlemen ask time?
Mr. Manager Grosvenor–If there is any probability of the letter being found, I will not ask him now. I will ask that the search may be made. I made a search this morning, and I demanded of the chief clerk this paper, and he contemptuously told me that there was no affidavit, and he would take the responsibility. I got this clerk and brought him in, and this clerk was asked to give me these papers from the repository for them. I then ask the clerk to come in and testify.
The Presiding Officer-The question is, Shall the question be put to the witness ? The Secretary will call the roll.
The Secretary called the roll, and the question was ordered put to the witness, by yeas and nays, as follows:
Mr. Moffatt Mr. Stockbridge,
Mr. Alexander, Mr. Price,
4. The Presiding Officer- The yeas being 20 and the nays 4, the question will be put to the witness.
Question. That letter was read to you, I believe you said, after it was written ?
Answer. Yes, sir.
Q. Now, will you state what were the contents of that letter, as near as you can ?
A. I don't know as I can, every word of it.
A. The description was put in, but it was not put in by the number of the lot, but all the vacant land in that section. I hadn't the number of the lot with me, but I had the number of acres, he wrote. The way he read the letter to me, he wrote to Mr. Barnard, and applied for that land, saying here is a fivedollar bill-do you want I should give the exact language ?
Q. Give the exact language if you can ?
Q. Was there any affidavit enclosed that it was not valuable for pine ?
A. No, sir; not that I saw.
Q. Now, can you tell me what the result of the application was in that form to get the land ?
A. I got a letter in two or three days after I got home to Ionia, that he had got the land, and it was all right.
Q. Was that application of yours before the application of Mr. Goddard ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Didn't you inform Mr. Goddard that you had been refused the land ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. I believe you stated that it was valuable for timber?
Q. Is it valuable for farming purposes? Is it not valuable only for timber?
A. I think it will make good farming lands.
CROSS-EXAMINATION OF S. C. ALDERMAN.
Cross-examined by Mr. Shipman :
A. I do not recollect exactly my estimates. I have not got my book with me.
Q. How many acres are there in lots 5 and 6 together, do you think?
A. There are almost 60 acres,—59 and 80-100ths, to the best of my recollection.
Q. Where does it lie-not the numbers of the locality of the land, but with reference to the bounds-by lakes, or any thing of that kind ?
A. It is situated on the east side of Hagan's Lake.
Q. How is the land near the shore of the lake, of these pieces:
A. There is a little strip along there of small pine; some of it has not got any timber on it.
Q. How wide is it?
Q. What is the extent, in rods, should you say of land on the shore of the lake? You have seen it?
A. I hare been on the land