Report of Select Committee On Chemists and in type, and will be circulated to Members Druggists [78]; Chemists and Druggists of the House to-morrow.

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ENDOWED GRAMMAR SCHOOLS,

QUESTION.

MR. HODGKINSON said, he wished to ask the Vice President of the Committee of Council on Education, What progress has been made in collecting and arranging the information required for the Return ordered in the last Session of Parliament, with reference to Endowed Gram

(No. 2) [84]; Chemists and Druggists [Sir FitzRoy Kelly]* [78]; Chemists and Druggists (No. 2) [Sir John Shelley]* [84]. Committee Fortifications (Provision for Expenses) * [215]; Colonial Governors (Retiring Pensions) [133] R.P.; Sugar Duties and Drawbacks [198]; Comptroller of the Exchequer and Public Audit [208]; National Gallery (Dublin) [208]; Fire Brigade (Metropolis) [153] R.P.; Harbours Transfer [216]; Pier and Harbour Orders Confirmation (No. 2) (re-comm. )* [222]; Pier and Harbour Orders Confirmation (No. 3) (recomm.) [223]; Roads and Bridges (Scotland) (re-comm.) [165]—R.P. Report-Fortifications (Provisions for Expenses)* [215]; Sugar Duties and Drawbacks [198]; Comptroller of the Exchequer and Public Audit* [208]; National Gallery (Dublin) [203]; Harbours Transfer [216]; Pier and Harbour Orders Confirmation (No. 2) (re-mar Schools; and when the Return may comm.)* [222]; Pier and Harbour Orders be expected to be laid upon the table of Confirmation (No. 3) (re-comm.) * [223]. the House? Considered as amended- Greenwich Hospital [212]; Malt Duty* [160]; Sugar Duties and Drawbacks [198;] Trusts Administration (Scotland) [158]; Record of Title (Ireland)* [217] [Lords]; Parsonages [205] [Lords]; Wick and Ayr Burghs Election * [166]. Third Reading-Sugar Duties and Drawbacks * [198]; Crown Suits, &c.* [206]; Kingstown Harbour [185]; Pheasants (Ireland) [193] [Lords]; Ecclesiastical Commission (Superannuation Allowances)* [201], and passed.

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BRITISH NORTH AMERICA

THE CONFEDERATION.

MR. H. A. BRUCE said, in reply, that a certain number of Endowed Schools had sent in the required information. That information had been tabulated and arranged, and he hoped the result would be laid upon the table before the end of the Session.

TREASURE TROVE.

QUESTION.

SIR JERVOISE JERVOISE said, he wished to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, referring to the fact stated in a Return (Treasury Trove, No. 297, of Session 1864) of portions of the Royal Revenue having in two cases been disposed of according to directions of the Lords of the Treasury, Whether it is not right that so unprecedented a step as the free transfer of the Crown's Revenue to private indi viduals should not be guarded by the usual constitutional forms?

MR. CARDWELL, in laying upon the table copies of the Official Correspondence which has taken place on this subject, said, these papers will be found to consist of a despatch from the Governor General of Canada, enclosing a Minute of his Executive Council recommending the appointment of four Members of that body to proceed to England to confer with Her Majesty's Government on four questions of importance namely, the proposed Con- MR. F. PEEL said, in reply, that the federation of British North America, the course which had been taken in these two Defence of Canada, the Reciprocity Treaty, cases was not unprecedented, nor any other and the North Western Territory. On than the usual course. The treasure was the arrival of these gentlemen in Eng- sent to the British Museum, and having land, the First Lord of the Admiralty, the been reported by the authorities there to Secretary for War, the Chancellor of the be of no intrinsic value, was returned by Exchequer, and the Secretary to the Colo- the Treasury to the finders. There was nies, were appointed to confer with them no objection to this course on constitutional on the part of Her Majesty's Government. grounds, as it was authorized by the Civil Several conferences were held, and the List Act. In answer to the observation result of these conferences was embodied that was frequently made that the Treain a despatch to the Governor General of sury did not act with sufficient liberality Canada, which has been adopted by Her to the finders of treasure, he might remark Majesty's Government, and by the depu- that the Crown's rights would be of very tation from Canada as a record of the little value unless that course were purviews expressed. The papers are already sued.

ARMY-EMPLOYMENT OF DR. SUTHER

LAND.-QUESTION.

remuneration. His salary was charged to the Sanitary Vote of the Army Estimates. Under Vote 14 a sum of £20,000 was taken for sanitary services. The arrangement made for the payment of expenses

approved by the Treasury, and there would be no objection to lay upon the table all the correspondence between the War Office and the Treasury on the subject.

SIR STAFFORD NORTHCOTE said, he wished to ask the Under Secretary of State for War, In what capacity Dr. Suther-incurred by this Committee was generally land is employed by the War Department; what pay and allowances he receives; whether he is paid by salary or by day pay when actually employed; and, if by day pay, for how many days in the year he is employed on an average-from what Vote of the Estimates the payment is made; whether the arrangement has received the approval of the Treasury; and, whether there will be any objection to lay upon the table of the House a copy of the terms of his original appointment, and of any correspondence between the War Office and the Treasury on the subject?

THE MARQUESS OF HARTINGTON, in reply, said, the House would recollect that at the conclusion of the Crimean war a Royal Commission was appointed to inquire into the sanitary state of the Army. The result was that several sub-Committees were subsequently appointed to consider and report upon the best mode of carrying out several of the subjects which had been reported upon by the Royal Commission. Dr. Sutherland, who had been a member of the Royal Commission, was appointed to serve on four of these sub-Committees, and he still continued to serve on one, and the most important of them-that originally called the Barrack and Hospital Committee, and now called the Army Sanitary Committee. The duties of that Committee were to consider and report upon all questions relating to sanitary improvements in existing barracks and hospitals, and the most healthy form of construction for new buildings. Dr. Sutherland's great experience and knowledge in such matters enabled him to render services upon the Committee more valuable probably than those of any other gentleman who could be found. As to the rate of remuneration, it was fixed by the right hon. and gallant Member for Huntington (General Peel) at £3 3s. a day, and afterwards, upon the recommendation of the late Mr. Sidney Herbert, then President of the Royal Commission, it was continued at the same rate so long as he was completely occupied upon these duties. Dr. Sutherland's time had since been entirely occupied on the details of the business of the Sanitary Committee, and he therefore continued to receive the above rate of

COLONEL PERCY HERBERT said, he wished to inquire whether there is no Officer in the Army capable of performing the duties of Dr. Sutherland, and whether he is entitled to superannuation?

THE MARQUESS OF HARTINGTON said, he was unable to answer the question of the hon. and gallant Member, whether there was no officer of the army who was qualified to discharge the duties performed by Dr. Sutherland? It was the opinion of the present Secretary of State, and it had been the opinion of two or three of his predecessors, that these duties were better performed by Dr. Sutherland than they could be by any other person. He was unable to answer the question relative to Dr. Sutherland's superannuation; but should rather imagine that, under the circumstances, he was not qualified to receive superannuation.

of the fund upon which the Establishment | dated Fund - namely, the fund out of of the Commissioners for the Reduction of which the salary and expenses of the Nathe National Debt is chargeable; whether tional Debt Commissioners was charged. the sums of £255 14s. 2d. and £297 10s., The answer was, that although the being the amounts charged in columns 26 & 27 Vict. c. 87, did generally repeal 1 and 2 of the same Parliamentary Paper, the 3 & 4 Will. IV. c. 14, yet that ought not, under the Act 26 & 27 Vict. Clause 68 was a saving clause for certain c. 87, to have been charged upon the fund portions of that Act, and said that the upon which the Establishment of the Com- Act should not repeal any of the powers missioners for the Reduction of the Na- and authorities of the Commissioners of tional Debt is chargeable; and, whether the National Debt with regard to the conthe several sums charged in columns 4, trol, management, investment, conversion, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10, ought not to have and regulation of the funds remitted by been charged to the same fund? the Trustees of the Savings Banks and Friendly Societies. That section had been construed as keeping alive the Act 3 & 4 Will. IV., with respect to the payment in question.

THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER said, he would answer as clearly as he could the three questions of the right hon. Gentleman. The first related to the payment of £7,703 4s. 9d. It was, according to the view of the Treasury, perfectly regular, and charged to the proper fund. It was, however, competent for the right hon. Gentleman to raise the question if he thought fit. With regard to the second question under the Act 9 Geo. IV., the Commissioners for the Reduction of the National Debt were authorized to appoint a barrister and to pay his allowances, together with those of his clerks and the expenses of the office, out of the fund upon which the Establishment of the Commission was chargeable. Under another Act, however, 3 & 4 Will. IV. c. 14, the incidental expenses were authorized to be paid out of any fund standing in the names of the Commissioners. For the last twenty-two years all those incidental expenses had been paid out of the fund standing in the names of the Commissioners in the accounts of the Savings Banks. As the barrister was originally appointed there could be no doubt that his salary came under the head of incidental expenses, because he was paid by piece according to the work done. Subsequently, however, when these payments were commuted for an annual allowance, it was still held that these were clearly incidental expenses according to the sense and meaning of Parliament. They were still so treated, and were charged on the money standing in the name of the Commissioners. The third question relating to the minor expenses he would take next, because it fell precisely under the same conditions as the first. The question here was whether, irrespective of the manner in which these sums were charged before the passing of the Act 26 & 27 Vict. c. 87, they ought not to have been charged on the Consoli

MR. HENLEY said, that the Act 26 & 27 Vict. repealed in terms Section 21 of the Act of Will. IV., which authorized these payments, and re-enacted the provisions of the 9 Geo. IV. If the right hon. Gentleman had not given his attention to the subject, and would do so, he would find that the general saving clause to which he had referred did not cover those payments.

THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE. QUER said, he would look into the matter.

BISHOPS' TRUST SUBSTITUTION ACT.

QUESTION.

MR. MUNDY said, he would beg to ask the right hon. Member for Cambridge University, Whether the consent of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, under their common seal, was previously obtained for the substitution of the Bishop of St. Asaph for the Bishop of Bangor, as President of the Hospital of Christ at Ruthin, in the county of Denbigh, as ordered by the Board of Charity Commission, on January 24th, 1860, pursuant to Section 2 of 21 & 22 Vict. c. 71, commonly designated

The Bishops' Trust Substitution Act of Session 1858 ;" whether the like consent for the substitution of the Bishop of Ox ford for the Bishop of Lincoln, as trustee of Lady Conyngham's Charities for the benefit of poor Clergymen in county of Bucks, and of certain poor persons in parish of Hitchenden or Hayenden, in same county, by order of such Charity Commission, dated August 7th, 1860, as disclosed in the Return ordered to be printed on 1st of March last (No. 84 of present Session); and, whether he considers that these two solitary instances in