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(JANUARY, 1 had refused to correct his errors, for which he tional rule, as reported from the Committee had been expelled the House; and that, in the whole House, it was resolved in the air another case, the Speaker, considering himself mative-yeas, 47, nays 28. as misrepresented, had expelled the stenogra- Resolred, That this House doth agree to the pher.
| said standing rules and orders, as amended. Among the opponents of the motion, a great diversity of opinion prevailed. Mr. Eustis, Mr. Varnum, and Mr. ELMER, objected to it, merely
Monday, January 11. on the ground that it was improper to come to
ound that it was improper to come to! Another member, to wit, SETI HASTINGS. any solemn decision, which was the less neces- | from Massachusetts, produced his credentisk sary, as the stenographers already occupied was qualified, and took his seat in the House. convenient seats, from which there was no probability of their being extruded by the Speaker.
Mediterranean Trade. Those who supported the motion, considered Vr. RANDOLPI moved a resolution directing its decision as involving an important point; a the Secretary of the Treasury to lay before the point no less important, than, whether the de-House an estimate of the value of the exports bates of that House should be taken with accu- of the United States, for the last five rean, to racy, and published without fear or partiality. ports situated within the Straits of Gibraltar, They averred it as a fact, that, owing to the discriminating articles of American growth from unwarrantable conduct of the Speaker, this had other productions. heretofore, at many periods, not been the case. Mr. RANDOLPH observed that he zas aware The public had sought information without be- of the inability of the Secretary to distinguish ing able to get it. It was true, that a stenogra- precisely the exports of the United States, car pher had been expelled for publishing a speech ried to the Mediterranean ports of France and of a gentleman from South Carolina; but it was Spain, from those carried to their other ports. not for misrepresenting that speech, but for But still he thought it probable that the Secre faithfully publishing it; and in the other case tary might be able to furnish information that alluded to, a stenographer had been expelled by would be valuable. the Speaker, for stating, with correctness, what Mr. S. Smith said, that when the report was the Speaker had himself said. These were alarm- made by the Secretary, it would be a report of ing facts, not to be forgotten, and which claimed deception. A great part of our trade to the the interposition of the House. If stenogra- Mediterranean had been lopped off in conse. phers should be guilty of indecorum, they could quence of the war. still (this rule notwithstanding) be expelled the Mr. Smith afterwards remarked that, on the House. It was acknowledged that the gentleman report being made, he feared the inquiry would who at present filled the chair, was entitled to be, whether we should give up the protection the full confidence of the House, but it was dan- of the Mediterranean trade, or not. Gentle gerous to vest arbitrary power in the hands of men would probably go into a calculation of any man, and it was peculiarly proper to pro- figures; and if the expense of protection apvide in fair, for foul weather; and it was added, peared to be greater than the benefit of the that though the proposed rule would not be obli- I trade, they might be for withholding protec. gatory upon a future House, yet it would form tion. There was one description of trade to a precedent, which they might see fit to respect. the Mediterranean, which we could obtain no
The motion, as modified by Mr. HUGER, was estimate of, which was however very importhen agreed to-yeas 47, nays 32.
tant-the tonnage of American shipping em The committee then rose, and reported the ployed in going from European ports to the rules with the above amendment.
Mediterranean, and from the Mediterranean to The amendment was immediately taken up; European ports, and American shipping em
ployed between the East Indies and the MediMr. RUTLEDGE moved to amend the report of terranean. This trade the Government was as the committee, by making it read as follows: much bound to protect, as it was bound to pro
"Stenographers may be admitted under the direc- tect the landed interest of the country. Still, tion of the Speaker, who shall assign to them such Mr. S. knew not that it would be proper to opplaces on the floor, as shall not interfere with the pose the passage of a resolution that asked for convenience of the House."
information. On this amendment a further debate ensued;! Mr. SMILIE knew not what information we after which, the yeas and nays were called, and could receive; but he knew that whatever it were-yeas 27, nays 51.
should be, it could do no harm. Another motion was then made and seconded Mr. NICHOLSON remarked, that the House to amend the said amendment, by inserting after would not be in a worse situation after the rethe words, “ stenographers shall," the following port, than it was now. For himself, he was in words, " until otherwise ordered by the House;" a state of total ignorance, and he believed &
And, the question being thereupon taken, it large part of the House was also ignorant of the passed in the negative.
extent of our Mediterranean trade. It was imAnd the main question being put, that the possible that the House could be deceived by House do agree to the amendment for an addi-l the report; as, if any part of it should be cille
Military Peace Establishment.
culated to deceive us, his colleague would be Mr. GRISWOLD moved to strike ont “three able to detect its errors. He had heard, and months,” that a greater compensation might be that too from commercial men, that our Medi- given to those who have grown gray in the terranean trade was not valuable, and not worth service of their country. He thought more was the expense of the squadron fitted out to protect due to them than what the bill proposed to it. He was at a loss to decide between these allow. opinions and those of his colleague.
Mr. VARNUM said, his own opinion was in Mr. MITCHILL spoke in favor of the resolu- favor of a greater compensation ; but he owed tion.
it to a majority of that House, to yield his Mr. GRISWOLD had no objection to obtaining opinion to what they had fixed it at. He said the estimate, if desired by gentlemen; not that there was nüthing due to those officers, as nothhe supposed the report could present the infor- | ing had been promised them. mation that was desired. With regard to our Mr. MITCHILL was in favor of striking out, Mediterranean trade, it was well known, that for the purpose of inserting a compensation lately, owing to our contest with Algiers, our proportionate to the length of time the officers fish and oil went in European bottoms, which had been in service. could not be noticed in the Treasury statements, Mr. BACON differed as to the principle laid as they went first to other ports.
down by gentlemen. When officers were wantMr. EUSTIs was perfectly willing to obtain the ed, there was great competition for the appointreport, that the great increase in our trade to ments. They were desirous to receive the pay the Mediterranean should be seen; from which and emoluments. He did not think there was its great value would fully appear, and its claim any thing due to them. to encouragement.
Mr. S. SMITH was for pursuing some system Mr. VARNUM suggested the propriety of a re- in this business, and keeping to a uniform prinference to a select committee, which, from the ciple. When a reduction was made in 1796, documents before the House, could select the six months' pay and subsistence was granted. desired information.
He would be in favor of that at this time. Mr. RUTLEDGE feared, that the call for this Mr. Dana believed those officers accepted information would delay the passage of an im- their appointments under an idea of its being portant bill before the House for the protection the permanent Peace Establishment, and thereof our Mediterranean commerce. He hoped, in fore something was due to them when dismissed order as promptly as possible to obtain infor- from the public service. mation, the Secretary of the Treasury would be Mr. SMILIE said, they knew the terms on called upon for it. With respect to the protec- which they entered the service, and they entertion of our trade in the Mediterranean, it was, ed voluntarily. How could any thing, then, be in his opinion, unimportant what its extent was. due to them? It would be more proper to We were bound to protect the commerce of our give the men something when disbanded than citizens in all its ramifications, whether great or to provide for the officers. It was not long small.
since that about forty were wanted, and there The resolution was then agreed to.
were thirteen hundred applications. Men could
not always be obtained. When the ten regiTHURSDAY, January 14.
ments were ordered to be raised, the officers Another member, to wit, - JOHN Dawson, were soon obtained; but, after recruiting a long from Virginia, appeared, was qualified, and | time, the proper nunber of men could not be took his seat in the House.
The question for striking out was taken by WEDNESDAY, January 20.
yeas and nays-for it 26, against it 56. Military Peace Establishment.
Mr. S. Smith made a motion to raise it to The House then took up the amendment to the same as was granted in 1796. the bill fixing the Military Peace Establishment. Mr. Eustis advocated it, but it was not car
Mr. BAYARD moved to strike out the office ried, there being 26 for it, and 45 against it. of Brigadier General. He said there could not The bill was ordered to be engrossed for a be any occasion for such an officer, as the men third reading to-morrow. were scattered over the whole extent of our frontiers and Atlantic coast, and placed in small divisions.
THURSDAY, January 21. This brought on a debate which was continued until after three o'clock.
Military Peace Establishment. The question was taken by yeas and nays for An engrossed bill fixing the Military Peace striking out—36 against it, 54 for it.
Establishment of the United States was read Mr. BAYARD moved to strike out the office of the third time. colonel, and add one to the number of majors; Mr. BAYARD observed that he should vote but it was not agreed to.
for the bill, because he thought it better than The bill proposed to give those officers who the former system, and it would be of much should be deranged, three months' pay when saving as to expense. He was, however, very they were dismissed from the service.
far from being pleased with a part of that bill,
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[JANUARY, 1872 that part relating to the Brigadier General and fidiousness of those powers, that he wished it his aide-de-camp. This office he knew to be a left to the direction of the President to exercise perfect sinecure; no such officer was necessary; the power vested in him when he should think he could have no duties to perform. He would proper; there was no trusting to them. He not, however, vote against the whole bill on ac- wished the President to do this by the authority count of this.
of law; this would prevent those doubts thi: Mr. RUTLEDGE.—The first section was very have been expressed by some, of the constidisagreeable to him, as it went to the establish- tutionality of his measures the last spring u. ment of a perfect sinecure. He was willing to summer; though for his part he was dispod do homage to the merit of the officer who was to approbate the proceedings of the Executive to benefit; but he rather thought it would be on that occasion. As to its having the appear. more consonant with justice, .if money must be ance of threatening, he did not think so; or neodlessly sported with, to suffer such money did he believe it would have any effect on tbce to be given to those who have been long in powers; he hardly believed that the Dep of service—some fifteen or twenty years—and who Algiers ever read the acts of Congress. are now by this bill suddenly forced to quit Mr. Dana was opposed to considering the their present, to seek some new way of obtain- subject at present; he was for postponing till ing a livelihood, in circumstances, many of them further information should be received. perhaps, not enviable.
Mr. GILEs was against the amendment; be Mr. R. was not pleased with the so great re- thought it had the appearance of inviting them duction of the artillery; he thought the reten- to an attack, of challenging them to combat
, of tion of the artillery of more importance than irritating and provoking them: he believed that of the infantry. He had hoped the artil- there would be ample time to act on this matlery would have been retained to keep in order ter hereafter, when they would have a better the forts already built in different parts of the knowledge of circumstances, and of what to United States; the small number remaining expect. was quite incompetent to preserving them in Mr. BAYARD said he was by no means dis order, or preserving them from decay. The posed to withdraw his motion. You are at Secretary of War mentions one fort in South war with one of these nations; the others are Carolina. There are, sir, four forts in the har- connected with them by their religion and bor of Charleston alone, some of which must go habits, by their government some, and by thes to decay. He should vote for the bill because interest more. I have been told that there is it went to make great reductions of expense, no connection between my amendment and the which reductions circumstances now allow us bill; but I am confident there is the same colto afford; but the sinecure was obnoxious to nection that there is between Tripoli and the him, and he was not pleased with the reduction other powers; and it is proper to extend the of the artillery.
bill so as to embrace Tunis and Algiers, as wel On the question that the bill do pass, it was as Tripoli. The gentleman from Connecticut resolved in the affirmative-yeas 77, nays 12. (Mr. Dana) says there are no doubts on his
mind but that the President has a constitutional Mediterranean Trade.
right, as the Commander-in-chief of the army The House again resolved itself into a Com- and navy, to do as he has done; but it should mittee of the whole House on the bill for the be remembered that many have doubts; and protection of the commerce and seamen of the why should the gentleman be opposed to this United States in the Mediterranean and adjoin- amendment, which will preclude all doubt on ing seas.
the subject. Mr. BAYARD offered an amendment, the pur The amendment was not carried. port of which was to give to the President the power of granting letters of marque and repri
Direct Taxes. sal, to affect Algiers and Tunis as well as Tri The House then went into a Committee of poli. Mr. B. thought that it would be unsafe to the Whole on the bill for amending the act for neglect a cautionary step like this, because there laying and collecting a direct tax. was great danger, from the similarity of religion The first section repeals the thirteenth cecand manners
, of a union taking place between tion of the act of 1798, which prescribes that Tunis, Algiers, and Tripoli; they may be brought lands on which taxes remain unpaid for one into the war with Tripoli against us. It would year, shall be sold subject to the right of rebe a matter of prudence to be prepared. demption within two years after sale.
Mr. DANA thought it very probable that Mr. RANDOLPH stated that the provisions profurther information would be received from the posed to be repealed were unsusceptible of es: Barbary powers, when we shall be the better ecution, inasmuch as the expenses of advertisenabled to judge what will be expedient. He ing required, exceeded in many cases by four did not like the appearance of the amendment; or five times, the annount of the tax, and which it seemed to invite war.
exceeded the per centage allowed; and inas, Mr. BAYARD conside there was a great much as no person would buy the land offered difference between the Barbary powers and for sale, when he might be deprived of it by a civilized nations; it was on account of the per- redemption within two years.
(H. OF R. Documents were read which substantiated | lution moved by the gentleman from Maryland, this statement.
as it showed his belief to be that the subject Mr. S. Smith opposed the repeal, as going to was not referred to the committee.. deprive the owners of lands of the right of re- Mr. DANA expressed his wish that two things demption ; which he deemed a valuable pro- should be referred to the Committee of Ways vision; without which the owners of land, and Means : First, a general view of the duties particularly non-residents, would be deprived of of imposts and excise that they might be contheir property, without a knowledge of the tax trasted; and, secondly, that certain articles imposed, or being able, however desirous, to should be specifically referred to them.
Mr. NICHOLSON said the gentleman from ConMr. RUTLEDGE also opposed the repeal, as necticut was very much mistaken as to the obimposing hardships upon those who have not ject of his resolution. It was not that he did paid the tax, which were not imposed upon not think the subject before the committee, but those who have paid. He further stated that as so much had been said about the former the non-payment in the Southern States had general reference, he wished to prevent the arisen, not from indisposition to pay, but from gentleman from Connecticut from quibbling rewant of collectors to carry the law into execu- specting the reference. tion; the compensation allowed having been so [Here Mr. N. was called to order by Mr. inadequate as in many districts to have disabled GRISWOLD. The SPEAKER declared it as his the Government from obtaining officers.
opinion that the gentleman was in order. Mr. Messrs. GRISWOLD, MILLEDGE, STANLEY, and BAYARD appealed to the House, and called the MORRIS, delivered their sentiments against the yeas and nays, which were agreed to be taken.] first section; when, on motion of Mr. Macon, the committee rose, and asked leave to sit again,
Internal Revenues—Expenses of collection comwhich was granted.
pared with Custom House Duties.
Mr. BAYARD called up the following resoluFRIDAY, January 22.
tion, which he had some days previously laid
upon the table, viz: Another member, to wit, ROBERT WILLIAMS,
“Resolved, That the Secretary of the Treasury from North Carolina, appeared, produced his
be required to lay before this House an account, in credentials, was qualified, and took his seat in
detail, of the expenses incurred in the collection of the the House.
internal revenues of the United States; distinguishing, where the same may be practicable, the expenses
attending the collection in each branch of the said Monday, January 25.
revenue, and, also, an estimate of reduction of said Import Duties.
expenses which may conveniently be made." Mr. NICHOLSON called up the resolution he The resolution having been read, Mr. B. said: laid on the table on Friday, for instructing the As it is extremely possible, Mr. SPEAKER, that Committee of Ways and Means to report gen- it is designed that this resolution shall share the erally on the subject of impost duties.
same fate with that which the resolution of the umpost duties. Mr. LOWNDES wished to amend it so as to gentleman from New York experienced this direct the attention of that committee particu- morning, I shall be allowed at least by publicly larly to the articles of salt, brown sugar, coffee, stating, to justify to the world, the motive and Bohea tea.
which induced me to bring it forward. Mr. This the SPEAKER considered out of order, as B. alluded to a resolution offered by Mr. T. resolutions on those subjects were then before MORRIS, the object of which was, to direct the the House.
Secretary of the Treasury to state to the House Mr. RUTLEDGE and Mr. BAYARD wished to the amount of stamp duties collected in each withdraw the resolutions they had offered on State, distinguishing what part was paid by the the articles of salt, brown sugar, &c.
commercial cities. When the resolution was Mr. SPEAKER considered the resolutions in taken up there was a call for the question. possession of the House, as they had been de- Nothing was said against the propriety of it. bated, and the previous question taken on them, It being merely a call for information, and conand no motion could be made while another sidered so much a matter of course to agree to motion was pending.
such resolutions when no opposition was madə Mr. BAYARD asked for information whether to them, it was not supposed necessary to say it was in order for him to state that he with any thing on the propriety and reasonableness drew his resolution?
of the resolution. Yet, to the astonishment of Some conversation took place as to points its friends, when the question was put, there of order.
were for it 34, against it 54.] The question on the resolution was called Gentlemen are infinitely deceived, said Mr. for.
| B., if they think our object is, by any particuMr. Dana said there was no instruction given lar mode of proceeding, to gain an unfair advanto the committee by the resolution of December tage of public opinion. If such a suspicion be 13, to make a report on the subject of imposts entertained, our conduct has been viewed with and tonnage. He was pleased to see this reso-'a jaundiced eye. It is a motive which rever
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[JASCARY, 18C has, and I hope never will direct our measures. I the great number of the individuals on whom te If popularity is to be gained only by a prostitu- duties are raised, and of their dispersed situata tion of principle to ignorant and unthinking throughout the whole extent of the United Sta prejudice, we are content to forego it. I am must, more or less, attach to the system of internal far from being indifferent to public opinion; the taxation so long as the wants of Government stal approbation of our fellow-citizens is the only
not require any considerable extension, and the total reward we can expect for our services; but it amount of revenue shall remain inconsiderable." is a reward no honest man will seek, if it is to
Mr. T. MORRIS.-If the honorable gentleman be acquired only by artifice and deception. from Virginia (Mr. RANDOLPH) thinks that the
I have avowed and avowed sincerely, that I extract of the report of the Secretary of the am disposed to go hand and hand with gentle- Treasury, the reading of which he has said men in the reduction of public burdens. When for, furnishes the information demanded by it was necessary I assisted in imposing them- iny honorable friend from Delaware, be is mis now that circumstances permit I more cheer- taken. The Secretary's report gives Toes fully co-operate in taking them off. My true general estimate of the expense of collecting object is to make the most of our situation; the aggregate of the internal taxes, but dues not to be deluded by empty theories, or specu- not specify the charge falling on each sepante lative systems, but, by an enlarged view of the tax. From the statement exhibited by the various interests of the country, to discover by Secretary, it appears that it costs twenty pe the reduction of what taxes the society would cent. to collect the whole of the internal tares: be the most substantially benefited.
but if the detailed statement asked for be the The reduction of the Military Establishment gentleman from Delaware is furnished, it ril creates considerable savings; other retrench- appear that the collection of some of those ments are contemplated in the Navy and civil taxes does not cost more than fire or sis per administration. These savings enable us to dis-cent. To show how unfair it is to connect pense with certain taxes; but is it not wise to together the expense attending the collettiva examine diligently the operation of the several of all the internal taxes, I need only refer gettaxes which exist, and, after being informed by tlemen to an authority which I believe the the various views which belong to the subject, will not dispute. If my memory, sir, is ** to exonerate the community from those which, very incorrect, it will appear by a publicatio with the least benefit, are the most burden of the present Secretary of the Ï reasury, writsome?
ten in the year 1796, that the tax on country One great objection to the internal taxes is distilleries cost in its collection near thirty se the expense of collection. I wish to know the cent.; that on city distilleries about nineteen
. particulars of this expense, in order to see These, sir, and other reasons, may evince the whether it may not be curtailed. I wish also propriety of repealing the tax on country die to be informed of the expenses attending each tilleries; but because this tas is expensive in branch of the revenue, for the purpose of judg- its collection, because it may be liable to ohje”. ing whether it may not be expedient to retain tions, does it follow that other taxes, such as somne branches, while it may be wise to part the tax on carriages, on refined sugars, &c. with others. These are my objects; do they which fall on the rich, and which are not es. not entitle us to the information asked ? pensive in the collection, does it follow, I ser,
We know in one instance, that the expense that because it may be proper to repeal the first, in collecting the stamp duty is less than five that these are to fall too? It is, sir, in order per cent. This appears by the report of the to be enabled to make proper discrimination, Secretary of the Treasury; but we are not in- to be enabled to know which of these tares formed of the particular expenses belonging to ought to be repealed, and which retained that the other branches of the revenue.
the gentleman from Delaware has moved his Sir, said Mr. B., I must rely that the resolu- resolution. And here, sir, let me be perunitted tion will be agroed to; there is not a precedent to express a hope, that the resolution not be in our annals or opposition to such a resolution; fore you may not meet with the silent negative it, however, one is now to be introduced, I which was the fate of one intended also to prothink it proper that the names of those gentle cure information, and which I had the honor men should hereafter appear by whom it was of laying on your table. I did and do still be resisted, and by whom it was established. He lieve, sir, that the majority of this House conld therefore hoped the question would be taken not have been actuated by proper motives in by yeas and nays.
refusing that information.
[Here Mr. RayThe Clerk, at the request of Mr. RANDOLPIT, DOLPI called Mr. Morris to order, saying that read an extract from the report of the Secreta- he had no right to impeach the motives of ry of the Treasury, as follows:
members. Mr. M. observed that for his part he "It will appear by the same statement, [M,] that
was at a loss to know what was considered diswhile the expenses of collection on merchandise and orderly in that House, but that he would submit tonnage, which are defrayed out of the revenue, do to the correction of the Chair. The SPEAKER not exceed four per cent., those on permanent inter- determined him to be in order, and Mr. M. pronal duties amount to almost twenty per cent. This, ceeded.] With regard, sir, to the course of however, is an inconvenience which, on account of proceeding which gentlemen have lately adopt