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[H1, or R. should continue to act wrong? But this cir- | House, will it not destroy the advantages any cuunstance materially differs from that. That other can derive from it?. We ought not to was merely an expression of sentiment, which encourage an undertaking of this kind, but let us could at once be determined, but this of senti- encourage any gentleman to come here and take ment, accompanied with deep and solemn re- down the debates. Last year they were taken lection—it is so interwoven with the politics of down very accurately and dispersed throughout the country as to require great circumspection. | the Union. I hope gentlemen will not go into it until they By passing this resolution you will destroy are properly prepared. I wish to pay all possi- the use of the privilege to any other than the ble respect to the Chief Magistrate, and cannot person favored by this House. Why give one a prove it better than by a sincere desire for an privilege more than another? He observed, it runanimous vote to the answer, which is only to had been common to give gentlemen the pribe obtained by proper deliberation; and thus vilege to come into the House and take down let him depart from his office with credit, and the debates, which had been, last year, delivered the enjoyment of our best wishes in his retire- time enough to give satisfaction to the memment.

bers. The question for postponing the unfinished | Mr. THATCHER said, he should wish for inbusiness to take up this report was then put formation from the committee how many perand negatived-43 to 31.

sons there were to publish debates, as he understood there were several, and the members were

to supply themselves from whom they pleased. WEDNESDAY, December 14.

He should likewise wish for information, how TEOMAS HENDERSON, from New Jersey, and many each member was to have to amount to THOMAS HARTLEY, from Pennsylvania, appeared the value of $1,600. and took their seats in the House.

Mr. W. SMITi said, there had been petitions

received from only two persons-Thomas Lloyd Reporting of the Debates.

and Thomas Carpenter. They intended, each Mr. W. SMITH moved for the order of the day of them, to publish the debates. There might on the petitions of Thomas Lloyd and Thomas be others; he knew not. There was no intenCarpenter, whereapon the House resolved itself tion of giving any one a preference-gentlemen into a Committee of the Whole, when, having could subscribe for that they approved of most. read the report of the committee to whom it At the calculation of Mr. Lloyd the members was referred,

would have five copies each for the $1,600. Mr. Macon wished some gentleman who was Mr. W. LYMAN said, the question was, whether in that committee, would be so good as to in the House would incur the expense of $1,600 furto the House what would be the probable ex- to supply the members with copies or not? He pense, and for what reason the House should thought there was no need of the expense. If go into the business. He thought the expense the House do not think proper to furnish the altogether unnecessary, whatever it may be. members, they can supply themselves. A publi

If the debates of this House were to be print- cation of them is going on at present, and many ed, and four or five copies given to each mem- gentlemen had subscribed to it already. ber, they would employ all the mails of the Mr. DEARBORN did not think that $1,600 thus United States. He also adverted to the attempt laid out would be expended to the best possible at the last session to introduce a stenographer advantage. From the number of persons which into the House, which failed.

we see here daily taking down debates, he Mr. Smith informed the gentleman that Mr. thought we might expect to see a good report Lloyd's estimate of the expenses is, that he will of the occurrences in the House. There was a sopply the House with his reports at the rate o: book going about for subscriptions, which apthree cents per half sheet. His calculation is a peared to be well encouraged; he saw many of that he can supply the members at the expense the members' names in it. He thought that, by of about $1,600 for the session. With respect a plan like that, the reports may be as accurately to the gentleman's reference to last session, this taken as we may have any reason to expect if was materially different from that: that motion the House incurs this expense. 724 to make the person an officer of this House, Mr. NICHOLAS observed, that members were and at an expense much greater. He thought now served with three newspapers. He thought . this attempt would be of great use to the House. to vote for this resolution on account of obtain. Regular and accurate information of the debates ing a more full and complete report than was to in the House would be a very desirable thing; be had in the newspapers; thus it would superbe therefore hoped the resolution would prove sede the necessity of taking so many papers. He Agreeable to the House.

thought this plan more useful to the members, Mr. WILLIAMS said, that the House need not and generally of more advantage to their constigo into unnecessary expense : the members were tuents, as they could disperse those debates now furnished, morning and evening, with news- where otherwise they would not be seen. Papers, which contained the debates ; then why / Mr. THATCHER said, if the object of the mostould the House wish for more? If one person tion was to supersede the receiving of news2 particular has the sale of his debates to this papers, he certainly should vote against it. He

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[DECEMBER, 1796 did not consider the main reason why members | declared he could not undertake it, except the were served with the newspapers was, that House would subscribe for five copies for each they may obtain the debates. No. He thought member. it more important, in their stations, that they Mr. SWANWICK considered the question to be should know the occurrences of the day from to this effect: whether the debates be under the various parts of the United States as well the sanction of the House or not? A gentle,as from foreign nations. Though he might man had said, it will be a great service to the 'favor an undertaking of this kind, yet he would | public to have a correct statement of the degive preference to a newspaper, if they were to bates. I think the most likely way to obtain have the one without the other.

it correctly is to let it rest on the footing of Mr. Heath did not wish that the members, private industry. We have a work, entitled being furnished with debates agreeably to the The Senator, in circulation. I have no doubt motion, should supersede the receiving of news- but the publisher will find good account in the papers, yet he should vote for it. Gentlemen undertaking. Why should the House trouble had said the debates were taken more correctly itself to sanction any particular work? Gentlelast session than before, yet he had heard a men would then have enough to do every whisper which was going from North to South, morning in putting the debates to rights before that our debates are not represented impartially. they were published, as they would be pledged He wished the House and the people to be fur- | to the accuracy of the reports. I never heard nished with a true report; such a thing would that, in the British House of Commons or Lords, be very useful: however, he did not wish to such a motion was ever made, nor have I ever encourage a monopoly to those two persons. heard of such in any other country; then why No. He would wish to give an equal.chance to should we give our sanction and incar a reall who choose to come and take them. Shall sponsibility for the accuracy of it. He said he we repress truth? I hope not; but disseminate should vote against the motion, but would enit as much as possible. Last session, when I courage such a work while it rested on the footwas, under the act of God's providence, prevent- ing of private adventure. ed from attending the House, a member sent! Mr. THATCHER said, he differed much from for a gentleman from Virginia, who was to act the gentleman last up, as it respected the resas stenograpber, with whom the House and a ponsibility of the House on such a publication. printer in this city were to combine. Warm He thought it might as well be said, that because debates ensued on the propriety of the measure, there had been a resolution for the Clerk to and the gentleman returned home after the furnish the members of this House with three motion was negatived. I hope gentlemen will newspapers, the House was responsible for the not grudge 1,600 dollars towards the support of truth of what those newspapers contained; if truth. What we see now in the newspapers is it was so, he should erase his name from his taken from the memory, and not by a stenogra- supply of them, as he thought, in general, they pher. The people will thank you that you have contained more lies than truth. Two considertaken means to investigate truth. If any gen- ations might recommend the resolution. It tleman can point out a better mode to obtain would encourage the undertaking, and also add this object, I hope he will do it that it may be to the stock of public information : on either of adopted ; till then I shall support the resolution. these, he would give it his assent. Soon after

Mr. SHERBURNE did not think, with the gen- he came into the city, a paper was handed him tleman last up, that the interest of the country with proposals for a publication of this kind was concerned; the only thing they were con- | (The Senator). He, with pleasure, subscribed cerned in was the payment of the money. The to its support; as to general information, that printing of this work did not depend on the was given already by newspapers, and though motion of this House. Whether the House each member was to be supplied with five copies, adopt it or not, the book will be published. It yet very few would fall into hands where the is a matter of private interest; a speculation in newspapers did not reach. The work would the adventurer, like other publications. The go forward at any rate. If he thought the question, he conceived, meant only this: Should work depended on the motion, he should rejoice the members be supplied with these pamphlets to give his vote toward its aid. On the quesat the expense of the public, or should they put tion being put, only nineteen gentlemen voted their hands in their own pockets and pay for in favor of the resolution; it was therefore them individually? He thought the House had negatived. no greater reasons to supply the members with The committee then rose, and the House took this work than other publications ; they might up the resolution. as well be furnished with the works of Peter Mr. THATCHER observed, the question was Porcupine, or the Rights of Man, at the public put while he was inattentive: he wished it to expense.

lie over till to-morrow. Mr. W. SMITH said, the gentleman was mis. Mr. Giles wished to indulge the gentleman taken with respect to the work going on, whe- | in his desire. ther supported by the House or not. It was Mr. THATCHER then moved for the vote of true as it respected the work proposed by Mr. the House, whether the report of the CommitCarpenter; but, with respect to Mr. Lloyd, he tee of the Whole be postponed. Twenty-four

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[H. OF R members only appearing for the postponement, / your wise, firm, and patriotic Administration has been it was negatived.

signally conducive to the success of the present form The question was then put, whether the of Government, we cannot forbear to express the Honse agreed to the report of the Committee | deep sensations of regret with which we contemplato of the Whole and disagreed with the report of your intended retirement from office. the select committee; which appeared in the

As no other suitable occasion may occur, we can

not suffer the present to pass without attempting to affirmative. The motion was therefore lost.

disclose some of the emotions which it cannot fail to Address to the President.


The gratitude and admiration of your countrymen The House again resolved itself into a Oom-, are still drawn to the recollection of those resplenmittee of the Whole on the Answer to the dent virtues and talents which were so eminently PEESIDENT'S Address; when the Answer re instrumental to the achievement of the Revolution, ported by the select committee was read by and of which that glorious event will ever be the the Clerk, and then in paragraphs by the Chair memorial. Your obedience to the voice of duty and man, which is as follows:

your country, when you quitted reluctantly a second Sr: The House of Representatives have attended

time the retreat you had chosen, and first accepted to your communication respecting the state of our

the Presidency, afforded a new proof of the devotedcountry, with all the sensibility that the contempla

ness of your zeal in its service, and an earnest of the tion of the subject and a sense of duty can inspire.

patriotism and success which have characterized your We are gratified by the information that measures

Administration. As the grateful confidence of the calculated to ensure a continuance of the friendship of

citizens in the virtues of their Chief Magistrate has the Indians, and to maintain the tranquillity of the

essentially contributed to that success, we persuade interior frontier, have been adopted; and we indulge

ourselves that the millions whom we represent partithe hope that these, by impressing the Indian tribes

cipate with us in the anxious solicitude of the prewith more correct conceptions of the justice, as well

sent occasion. as power of the United States, will be attended with

Yet we cannot be unmindful that your moderation

and magnanimity, twice displayed by retiring from While we notice, with satisfaction, the steps that your exalted stations, afford examples no less you have taken in pursuance of the late treaties

and instructive to mankind than valuable to a Rewith several foreign nations, the liberation of our public. citizens who were prisoners at Algiers is a subject of

Although we are sensible that this event, of itself, peculiar felicitation. We shall cheerfully co-operate

completes the lustre of a character already conspicuin any further measures that shall appear, on consid

ously unrivalled by the coincidence of virtue, talents, eration, to be requisite.

success, and public estimation, yet we conceive that We have ever concurred with you in the most sin

we owe it to you, sir, and still more emphatically to cere and uniform disposition to preserve our neutral

ourselves and to our nation (of the language of whose relations inviolate ; and it is, of course, with anxiety

hearts we presume to think ourselves at this moment and deep regret we hear that any interruption of

| the faithful interpreters) to express the sentiments, harmony with the French Republic has occurred: | with which it is contemplated for we feel with you and with our constituents the

The spectacle of a whole nation, the freest and cordial and unabated wish to maintain a perfectly most enlightened in the world, offering by its Reprefriendly understanding with that nation. Your en

sentatives the tribute of unfeigned approbation to its deavors to fulfil that wish, and by all honorable means

first citizen, however novel and interesting it may to preserve peace, and to restore that harmony and af

be, derives all its lustre-a lustre which accident or festira chick hare heretofore so happily subsisted be

enthusiasm could not bestow, and which adulation terea the French Republic and the United States.) can- / would tarnish--from the transcendent merit of which not fail, therefore, to interest our attention. And it is the voluntary testimony. while we participate in the full reliance you have | May you long enjoy that liberty which is so dear expressed on the patriotism, self-respect, and forti- to you, and to which your name will ever be so made of our countrymen, we cherish the pleasing hope | dear. May your own virtues and a nation's prayers that a mutual spirit of justice and moderation on the obtain the happiest sunshine for the decline of your part of the Republic will ensure the success of your

| days and the choicest of future blessings. For your perseverance.

country's sake—for the sake of Republican libertyThe various subjects of yonr communication will it is our earnest wish that your example may be respectively, meet with the attention that is due to the guide of your successors ; and thus, after b their importance.

the ornament and safeguard of the present age, beWhen we advert to the internal situation of the come the patrimony of our descendants. United States, we deem it equally natural and becom- Mr. VENABLE observed, on a paragraph ing to compare the tranquil prosperity of the citizens | wherein it speaks of the “tranquillity of the with the period immediately antecedent to the opera- interior frontier,” he did not know what was tena d the Government, and to contrast it with the

the meaning of the expression: he moved to Calamities in which the state of war still involves

insert “ Western frontier” in its stead. teral of the European nations, as the reflections de naved from both tend to justify, as well as to excite,

Mr. AMEs observed that the words of the reBurmer adrniration of our free constitution, and to

| port are in the PRESIDENT's Speech ; however, eralt our minds to a more fervent and grateful sense

he thought the amendment a good one. It then su piety towards Almighty God for the beneficence of passed. His providence, by which its administration has been in the fourth paragraph are these words: berto so remarkably distinguished.

“Your endeavors to fulfil that wish cannot fail, And while we entertain a grateful conviction that therefore, to interest our attention.” At the word

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[DECEMBER, 1796 “ wish," Mr. GILES proposed to insert these would soften the expression, and, acting with words: “and by all honorable means to pre- that spirit of justice and moderation, accom. serve peace, and restore that harmony and af-plish a reconciliation. The amendment un fection which have heretofore so happily sub-adopted. sisted between the French Republic and this On the Chairman's reading the last paragraph country;" and strike out the words that follow except one in the report, which reads thus: “wish " in that paragraph. He said, his reasons “The spectacle of a whole nation, the freest and for moving this amendment were to avoid its most enlightened in the world," Mr. PARKER consequences. He really wished the report en- moved to strike out the words in italic. Altirely recommitted, as there were many objec- though, said he, I wish to believe that we are tionable parts in it. He had been very seriously the freest people, and the most enlightened impressed with the consequences that would people in the world, it is enough that we think result from a war with the French Republic. ourselves so; it is not becoming in us to make When I reflect, said Mr. G., on the calamities the declaration to the world; and if we are not of war in general, I shudder at the thought; so, it is still worse for us to suppose ourselves but, to conceive of the danger of a French war what we are not. in particular, it cuts me still closer. When I Mr. HARPER said he had a motion of amendthink what many gentlemen in mercantile sit- ment in his hand which would supersede the uations now feel, and the dreadful stop put to necessity of the last made, which, if in order, he commerce, I feel the most sincere desire to cul- would propose: it was to insert words more tivate harmony and good understanding. I see simple. He thought the more simple, the more redoubled motives to show the world that we agreeable to the public ear. His amendment, be are in favor of a preservation of peace and har- thought, would add to the elegance and concisemony.

ness of the expression. He did not disapprove Mr. W. SMITH said, he should not object to of the Address as it now stood, but he thought the amendment; but he thought it only an it might be amended. This, he said, would add amplification of a sentiment just before express-to the dignity, as well as to the simplicity of ed. He did not see any advantage in the senti- | the expression. He thought it would be imment as dilated, nor could he see any injury proper to give too much scope to feeling: which could accrue from it. He hoped every amplitude of expression frequently weakens a gentleman in the House wished as sincerely | idea. for the preservation of peace as that gentle- Mr. GILES said he saw many objectionable man did.

parts in the amendments proposed by the genMr. AMEs wished to know of the gentleman tleman just sat down. He wished to strike out from Virginia, whether he meant to strike out two paragraphs more than Mr. HARPER hal the latter part of this paragraph; if he did, he proposed ; indeed, he wished the whole to be would object to it.

recommitted, that it might be formed more Mr. GILES said, he did not mean to strike ont congenial to the wishes of the House in general, any more of this paragraph.

and not less agreeable to the person to be addMr. AMEs wished it not to be struck out. By dressed. the amendment to strike out, we show the de- / Mr. SMITH observed, that as the answer had pendence we place on the power and protection been read by paragraphs nearly to the close, of the French. While we declare ourselves he thought it very much out of order to return weak by the act, we lose the recourse to our to parts so distant. own patriotism, and fly, acknowledging an of- The Chairman said that no paragraph on fence never committed, to the French for peace, which an amendment had been made could be He hoped the gentleman would be candid upon returned to; but where no amendment had this occasion.

been made, it was quite consistent with order Mr. GILES said, he only wished this House to to propose any one gentlemen may think proexpress their most sincere and unequivocal per. desire in favor of peace, and not merely to leave Mr. W. SMITH Opposed striking out any parait to the PRESIDENT. He said, he had spoken graph. It was, he said, the last occasion we upon this occasion as he always had done on should have to address that great man, who had this floor. He always had, and he hoped always done so much service to his country. The should state his opinions upon every subject warmth of expression in the answer was only with plainness and candor.

an evidence of the gratitude of this House fo The amendment passed unanimously.

his character. When we reflect on the glowing Mr. GILES then proposed an amendment to language used at the time when he accepted of the latter part of the same paragraph which the office of PRESIDENT, and at his re-electior would make it read thus: "We cherish the to that office, why, asked he, ought not the pleasing hope that a spirit of mutual justice and language of this House to be as full of respec moderation will ensure the success of your per- and gratitude now as then particularly whel severance." The amendment was to insert the we consider the addresses now flowing in frou word “mutual." He thought we ought to dis- all parts of the country. I object to the manne play a spirit of justice and moderation as well of gentlemen's amendments as proposed, as the French. This amendment, he thought, strike out all in a mass. If the sentiments wer

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[H. OF R. greeable to the minds of the House, why | wish him to enjoy all possible happiness. I waste our time to alter mere expressions while wish him to retire, and that this was the moment the sentiment is preserved? No doubt every of his retirement. He thought the Government gentleman's manner of expression differed, of the United States could go on very well while their general ideas might be the same. without him; and he thought he would enjoy He hoped mere form of expression would not more happiness in his retirement than he poscause its recommitment.

sibly could in his present situation. What caMr. GILES did not object to a respectful and lamities would attend the United States, and complimentary Address being sent to the Pre- how short the duration of its Independence, if SIDENT, yet he thought we ought not to carry one man alone can be found to fill that capaour expressions out of the bounds of modera- city! He thought there were thousands of tion; he hoped we should adhere to truth. He citizens in the United States able to fill that objected to some of the expressions in those high office, and he doubted not that many may paragraphs, for which reason he moved to have be found whose talents would enable them to the paragraphs struck out, in order to be fill it with credit and advantage. Although amended by the committee. He wished to act much had been said, and that by many people, as respectful to the PRESIDENT as any gentle- about his intended retirement, yet he must acman, but he observed many parts of the Ad- knowledge he felt no uncomfortable sensations dress which were objectionable. It is unnat- about it; he must express his own feelings, he aral and unbecoming in us to exult in our was perfectly easy in prospect of the event. He saperior happiness, light, or wisdom. It is not wished the PRESIDENT as much happiness as any at all necessary that we should exult in our man. He declared he did not regret his readvantages, and thus reflect on the unhappy treat; he wished him quietly at his seat at gitaation of nations in their troubles; it is Mount Vernon; he thought he would enjoy insulting to them. If we are thus happy it is more happiness there than in public life. It well for us; it is necessary that we should will be very extraordinary if gentlemen, whose enjoy our happiness, but not boast of it to all / names in the yeas and nays are found in opposithe world, and insult their unhappy situation. tion to certain prominent measures of the Ad

As to those parts of the Address which speak ministration, should come forward and approve of the wisdom and firmness of the PRESIDENT, those measures: this we could not expect. He he must object to them. On reflection, he could retained an opinion he had always seen reason see a want of wisdom and firmness in the Ad- to support, and no influence under Heaven ministration for the last six years. I may be should prevent him expressing his established singular in my ideas, said he, but I believe our sentiments; and he thought the same opinions Administration has been neither wise nor firm. would soon meet general concurrence. He I believe, sir, a want of wisdom and firmness hoped gentlemen would compliment the PRESIhas brought this country into the present DENT privately, as individuals; at the same alarming situation. If after such a view of the time, he hoped such adulation would never perAdministration, I was to come into this House vade that House. and show the contrary by a quiet acquiescence, I must make some observation, said Mr. G., gentlemen would think me a very inconsistent on the last paragraph but one, where we call character. If we take a view of our foreign re- ourselves “the freest and most enlightened nalations, we shall see no reason to exult in the tion in the world:" indeed, the whole of that wisdom or firmness of our Administration. He paragraph is objectionable; I disapprove the thought nothing so much as a want of that whole of it. If I am free, if I am happy, if I am wisdom and firmness had brought us to the cri- enlightened more than others, I wish not to tical situation in which we now stand.

proclaim it on the house top; if we are free, it If it had been the will of gentlemen to have is not prudent to declare it; if enlightened, it been satisfied with placing the PRESIDENT in is not our duty in this House to trumpet it to the highest possible point of respect amongst the world; it is no Legislative concern. If men, the vote of the House would have been gentlemen will examine the paragraph, (referunanimous, but the proposal of such adulation ring to that contained in the parenthesis,] it could never expect success. If we take a view seems to prove that the gentleman who drew it into our internal situation, and behold the up was going into the field of adulation; which ruined state of public and private credit, less would tarnish a private character. I do think DOW than perhaps at any former period how this kind of affection the PRESIDENT gains nothever, he never could recollect it so deranged. ing from. The many long Addresses we hear If we survey this city, what a shameful scene it of, add nothing to the lustre of his character. alone exhibits, owing, as he supposed, to the In the honor we may attempt to give to others immense quantity of paper issued. Surely this we may hurt ourselves. This may prove a could afford no ground for admiration of the self-destroyer; by relying too much on adminisAdministration that caused it.

tration, we may rely too little on our own I must acknowledge, said Mr. Giles, that I strength. su one of those who do not think so much of Mr. SITGREAVES said, that whatever division the PRESIDENT as some others do. When the of the question gentlemen would propose, was PEESIDENT retires from his present station, I indifferent to him; the words of the answer

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