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No other conversation passed between you and him ? None.
Has any conversation passed between you and Dr. Thynne, since he has been examined in this house? Yes, he has been sitting with me nearly ever since.
To what purpose was that conversation between you? Not at all relative to this business, it has not been addressed to me, it has been addressed to the two ladies with me, entirely.
Repeat as much of that conversation as you can recollect. I could not repeat after Dr. Thýnne, if his character is known at all to the gentlemen here, it would be very indelicate; he has merely been laughing at the gentlemen here.
Do you know Mr. Robert Knįght, and how long have you known hitt? 'I know Mr. Robert Knight; he took an opportunity of calling upon me, to thank me for getting his brother so quickly through the business, soon after I came to town, about a month or six weeks afterwards, in company with Mr. Biddulph.
Was it in the month of September? . I do not know exactly the month, it was soon after.
What was the conversation which passed between you at that meeting?. It is so long since, it is impossible for me to recollect; but Mr. Knight thanked me for getting the exchange for his brother, as he had been trying some months before, and I did it so very quickly; and Mr. Biddulph had some favour to ask of me.
Did you, upon that occasion, desire Mr. Robert Knight to keep se. cret this transaction? Yes; I should think that I did, certainly I should say that; I do not recollect saying it, but it is very likely that I did.
Do you recollect expressing a wish that it might be kept secret, lest it should come to the ears of his Royal Highness the Duke of York! O no, never.
Or any thing to that effect ? Nothing like it.
When you mentioned to the Duke of York, that you were to receive a compliment for promoting the exchange of commissions between these ofticer», did his Royal Highness make any remark upon tbat; and if he did, what was it? He told me, that hě knew the business very well, that they had been trying at it some time, and that he thought one of them was rather a bad subject; but he would do it.
When you mentioned to the Dike of York, after the exchange had taken place, that you had received'a compliment, and shewed him the note of which that compliment consisted, did his Royal Highness then make any observation ? Not that I recollect; it was finished.
At what time was this application first made to you? Two or three days before it took place, or a couple of days.
Was it not gazetied on the Saturday? I do not recollect.
Can you be sure it was not more than three days before it was gazetted, that the application was made to you? I do not think it was. I think I might guess at the time of the year.
What time of the year was it? His Royal Highness was going down to Weymouth on the night that I changed the note, which was the reason that I got the note changed; my servants could not get it changed, and his servant got it changed for ine. Lord Chesterfield's fainily was going down, and he was going to be godfather to Lord Chesterfield's child: it was the end of July, or the beginning of Augu-t.
When did you first mention this transaction to Colonel Wardle: I mentioned it to others before I ever mentioned it to him.
When did you first mention it to Colonel Wardle? I do not recollect.
About how long ago? It must have been very lately.
Why do you say that it must have been very lately? Because I speak from the fact.
How long ago did you mention it to Colonel Wardle? I should think within a month; he had heard it from other quarters than from me, and attacked me upon it.
Had you any knowledge of Colonel Wardle before he attacked you upon it? Yes, I had.
What had led to your knowledge of Colonel Wardle before that time? Himself.
Are you speaking of a time before the attack he made upon you with respect to this transaction? Yes, I knew him before ever he attacked me upon this subject.
How tong? I suppose six months. Had you ever mentioned the transaction voluntarily to Colonel Wardle, till he attacked you upon it? He asked nie if it was true, and I told him yes.
Had you stated this voluntarily of your own consent to Colonel Wardle, or only in answer to his enquiries? When Mr. Wardle told me he had heard of it, and mentioned the circumstance to me, I said yes, it was true; that was all I said; I did not think I should be brought here upon it, or I might have been very apt to deny it.
Would you willingly have concealed it? I concealed it from the beginning, it was not a public thing: certainly, any thing which ought to be private, I have sense enough to keep as such. I believe Mr. Knight spoke of it himself—it had got round.
Who were those other persons that you spoke to of it, besides Mr. Wardle? A few of my friends, I do not recollect who; I am not without friends.
How came you to mention to a few of your friends, whom you cannot recollect, a transaction which you say ought to have been kept secret, and which you think came forward only from Mr. Knight's mentioning it? I did not say that I mentioned it, I said that my friends mentioned it, and that then I said it was all very true.
When you mentioned this transaction to Colonel Wardle, did you give the same account of it which you have given to-day? No, I did not.
Which was the true account? Both. In what did the two accounts differ? I do not see that they differ at all, I did not enter so into detail as I do now.
Was the difference between your accounts, that you were shorter in the account you gåve to Colonel Wardle, than in the account you hare given to-day ? Considerably.
Can you recollect the day on which Dr. Thiynne applied to you? The day of the month, the day of the week? Either? I do not, it was such a trifling affair.
your recollection upon either one or the other? Not upon such a trifling occasion.
Have you not told Colonel Wardle on what day Dr. Thynne applied to you? No, I have not.
Did not you tell Colonel Wardle that the application was made to you on a Thursday, and that it was gazetted on the Saturday? No, I did not; I might as well have said Tuesday as Thursday, I do not recol. lect any thing about days or dates.
Have you told the House now, all that yon told Colonel Wardle upon the subject? I have answered that before; I have told the House more than I have told him a great deal; I told them that I did not go into the detail with him that have with the House.
Have you told the House every thing that you mentioned to him Upon what subject ? Upon this subject? Yes, I have, and a great deal more.
What have you told the House to-day, which you have not told Colonel Wardle? I mentioned it but slightly to him, and I have told every thing here that I recollect, except a slight conversation between his Royal Highness and myself, which I suppose it is not necessary to repeat.
[The witness was directed to withdraw, and a short discussion took
place, in which the Attorney General disclaimed any disrespect to Colonel Wardle, in his examination : and the witness was
again called in.] What circunstances have you mentioned to the House relative to this transaction, which you did not mention to Colonel Wardle? I did not mention to Colonel Wardle that I shewed the note to his Royal Highness, nor did I tell him that his Royal Highness got change for it; it was for me that he got change, he was going out of town at one o'clock, and I at four, and I wanted the change to leave some with my servants in town, and some I wanted with me; I did not enter into that detail with Colonel Wardle.
Is that the only circumstance that you have mentioned to the House, and did not mention to Colonel Wardle? No, it is not.
State the other circumstances which you did not mention to Colonel Wardle. I did not say much to Colonel Wardle at all, it was very trifling what I mentioned to him; he had heard it from other quarters, and asked me if it was true, and I said yes.
Had you any intention to have mentioned this, if Colonel Wardle had not asked you? It was in conversation it was mentioned. Should
have mentioned this to Colonel Wardle, if Colonel Wardle had not mentioned it to you? Perhaps I might, and perhaps I might not.
Had you any object in mentioning it either to him or to any other person? None whatever.
Had you any end to acccomplish by making this known; Certainly not.
Have you ever stated, that you had any ground of complaint against his Royal Highness? All my friends know that I have.
Have you ever stated to any one, that you had grounds of complaint against his Royal Highness? To many I have stated it.
Have you not stated, that if his Royal Highness did not comply with your demands, you would expose him? I told Mr. William Adam,
in a letter, that if he did vot fulfil his promises and the Duke's by paying me the annuity, for which Mr. Adam was the guarantee, and which Mr. Adana promised me should be regularly and punctually paid me, that I should be necessitated to expose his Royal Highness's letters, that was all.
Have you never said, that if his Royal Highness did not come to your terms, you would expose him? No, never in my life.
Never to any ope? Never to any one whatever; nor is it willing at all in me now. I was very angry in that letter, and perhaps Mr. Adam will produce it; that goes to the worst part that ever I said or acted.
Is it only in one letter that you have threatened to expose his Royal Highness? Two I have written to Mr. Adam; that is all, to any one.
Were there threats in both the letters? They are not threats: I solicited.
Did you say in those letters that you would expose his Royal Highness? Mr. Adam, I suppose, has the letters ; and, if he is in the House, will perhaps produce them.
Did you accompany your solicitations by saying, that if they were not complied with, you would expose the Duke I do not recollect that I did, but you had better ask for the letters.
Did you never make any declaration of that sort to any other person No, never.
Did you never state to any other person, that if yoạr terms were not complied with, you would expose the Duke, or use any terms to that effect? I have told you before, I did not.
Are you quite certain of that? Yes, quite.
Did you ever tell Mr. Wardle that you wanted this 2001. for a particular purpose ? No, I did not.
Did you not say to Mr. Robert Knight, that if his Royal Highness did not come into your terms, you would expose him? No, I did not.
Did you ever say any thing to that effect to Mr. Robert Knight? No, I did not; I told him I was going to publish the Duke's letters, to pay the creditors, which his Royal Highness had refused. His Royal Highness had insisted that I should plead my marriage to avoid the debts, or that I might go to prison, that was his last message to me.
When was that message sent? I should think six weeks or two months since; my lawyer can tell, the message went to him. Who is your lawyer?
Mr. Comrie was my lawyer. Who was your lawyer then? Mr. Stokes who lives in Goldensquare.
He was your lawyer when that message was sent? He received the message, and came with it to me.
Who carried the message to him? A man in the employ of Mr. William Adain, a sort of lawyer.
Did Mr. Knight come voluntarily to you, or did you send for him? I was in the habit of writing to Mr. Knight, since we had been intimate, after the affair of his brother. I wrote him one or two letters, and told him where I lived, and told him to call when he came to town; I dare say he has the letters, which will resolve the question at once. Did you not write to him, to desire him to come, particularly upon
the occasion when you told him you should publish the Duke's leta ters? No, certainly I did not.
Did you not send to him, to desire that he would call upon you, and when he came, tell him, that you intended to publish the Duke's letters? I must refer you to the letters; it was only a common sort of letter that I am in the babit perhaps of writing to many more gentlemen, besides Mr. Knight.
You have mentioned, that you were advised to plead your marriage; are you married? It is of no consequence at all about my husband, that has nothing to do with it; Mr. Adain can tell who I am. Are you a married woman or not? You have no reason to doubt it. [The witness was informed by the Chairinan, that she must give a
direct answer to the question.] I am a married woman; there is no question which I will not answer, though it may be unpleasant.
How long have you been married? I refer you to Mr. William Adam, he has my certificate.
How long have you been married ? I believe fourteen or fifteen years.
Is your husband living? I do not know.
Have you not sworn yourself to be a widow? His Royal Highness, a very short time since, when I sent to him to ask him to send me a few hundred pounds, sent me word that if I dare speak against him, or write against him, he would put me into the pillory, or into the Bastille. He fancies that I swore myself to be a widow woman when I was examined at a Court Martial. But the Deputy Judge Advocate had more feeling than the gentleman who has examined me now; he told me I might say any thing out of the Court which it might be unpleasant to me to swear to; I told him it would be very improper for me to say that I was a married woman, when I had been known to be living with the Duke of York. I did not swear that I was a widow, I said it out of Court, and it was put into the Court Martial Minutes as if I had sworn to it, but it was not so. The Judge Advocate, to whom I told it, is at the door, and I think he had better be called in, I know now what he is come for.
Who brought that message from the Duke to you? A very particular friend of the Duke of York's.
Who? One Taylor, a shoemaker in Bond-street; very well known to Mr. Adam,
By whom did you send the request to the Duke for these few hundreds, to which the Duke sent this answer by Taylor? By my own pen.
How did you send the letter? By this ambassador of Morocco.
What do you mean by this ambassador of Morocco ? The ladies' shoemaker.
Was it a verbal answer that was brought to you, or a letter ? A verbal answer, in Mr. Taylor's own language or the Duke's; I do not know which it was exactly, but those were the words that passed.
What is your husband's name? Clarke.
The Chairman stated to the witness, that he felt it his duty to