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had become subservient to the will of the about the beginning of December?-1 believe minister of the day: That the great body of it might be about that time. the people are excluded from their elective Who was the preses of the meeting ?-Jamės franchise-that a majority of your honourable Johnston. House are returned to parliament by proprietors Who made the first speech ?--Alexander of rotten boroughs, the influence of the Treasury M'Laren. and a few other individuals; and that seats Did you read an account of the speech ? therein are bought and sold like tickets for the Yes. Opera.”

Was it correct? I do not remember. Were these the words in the petition ?-I Did it appear correct or incorrect, generally think these identical words were in the petition speaking ? —Yes, it appeared correct. which was forwarded to parliament, and or Did you see anything that was incorrect ?dered to lie on the table, I believe.

I cannot say that I did. You remember being shewn this printed Do you know where it was sold ?-At Thomas publication. You said M‘Laren complained Baird's. of the latter part of his speech being inserted because it was not in the manuscript ?—Yes, I

[Pamphlet was handed to the witness.] did,

Did you buy this copy in Baird's shop?

Say what part was not in the manuscript?— Yes, I believe I did; I am certain I did. I cannot say what were the words he spoke at Do you see your subscription there ?-Yes. the meeting. What he said to me was, that he Where did you write it?-In Mr. Brown's. concluded with a line of a play, and it was “ to Who was in the shop when you bought it ?-hell allegiance."

I do not recollect. Mr. Clerk.–Did he say that any part of the Lord Advocate. – Are there any booksellers in passage hefore that was not in his manuscript ? Kilmarnock ?—Yes. - He just said the latter part of the sentence was not in the manuscript.

Hugh Wilson cross-examined by Mr. Grant

for Alerander M Laren, You said you had a conversation with him when he shewed his indictment, and that he

What was the object of the meeting ?-To complained as you have stated. Had you any consider the propriety of petitioning parliament other conversation with him on the subject for a reform. than on that occasion ?-Perhaps there might

Had the meeting any other object ?—None, be two or three, but to the same purpose.

that I know of. Did he attempt to influence you as to what Did any person recommend anything else? evidence you should give at this trial?–Neither - Not that I heard. of us considered I should be called on to give

Did you hear the panel MʻLaren speak upon evidence. I did not know what he had spoken, that occasion ? ---Yes, I was there at the time, I nor about the selling of the pamphlets.

heard part of his speech. Lord Advocate.We have had a very elo

Was it a very stormy day ?-Very stormy.

Was there hail ? ---Yes. quent petition read. By whom was it composed ?—I do not know.

Were many umbrellas up?-A great num

ber. Did any member of the committee compose it?-The committee for superintending the hail upon them so as to prevent you from

Was any noise made by the pattering of the printing were appointed to compose it, namely, Thomas Baird, w. Finnie, W. Andrew,

hearing ?-Yes. D. Andrew, and W. Webster.

Was every thing conducted in an orderly and They produced it to you as their own com

peaceable manner?-Yes, they did. position ?-It was produced and read at the

Did you sign the petitions to the legislature?

-Yes. meeting. Did they say anything that led you to suppose titions were ?-No.

Do you recollect what the terms of the pethat it was not their own composition ?-I do not think they did.

Are you well acquainted with the panel They did not. There was some amendment him ?-A great many years; five or six, or Did they not say from whom they got it?- Alexander MʻLaren ?-Yes.

How long bave you been acquainted with made upon it.

better. Upon your oath can you state that none of them said to you anything about the getting able demeanour and loyalty?- A good character,

What character has he possessed as to peace. of the petition ?--I heard nothing of it. Did any member of the committee give you

as far as I know. to understand they had not drawn up that per and troublesome, or loyal' and peaceable ?

Has he had the reputation of being seditious tition, but got it from another quarter ?--It would be ridiculous for a man to speak posis

The latter.

Was be ever connected with any society!-tively to a thing he does not recollect of. Fugh Wilson sworn. Examined by

I do not know;, he was a member of the com

mittee for petitioning for reform. Mt. Drummond:

But with none other?

With no other that I Were you at a public meeting in Dean.park, know of.

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Do you think you would probably have heard of it if the fact had been so ?-I think

James Samson cross-examined by Mr. Jeffrey 80.

for Thomas Baird. Have you ever beard him talk of the measures Look at what is written before the beginning of government ?-Yes.

of that speech, where it is stated, that a Mr. What way did he express himself ?-He used Burt and a Mr. White could not attend, but to approve of the measures of government. had transmitted addresses to be read to the

Did you ever hear any arguinents between meeting. Yours was given in the name of him and others on politics? -Yes, he took the Mr. Burt, and you understood it was Mr. government side.

Burt's speech you read?–Mr. Baird said Mr. Do you know of his having been a member Burt had sent it to hiin. of any military body?-I believe he served in

It was not Mr. Baird's writing, but Mr. the Local Militia, in the Rifle corps.

Burt's?-Yes. Did you look on him as a man of a seditious curn of mind, or as a friend to the go The following Declarations of the Panels vernment ?-As a friend to the government.

were then read. Did you ever hear any imputation 10 the contrary cast on him ?-İ do not remember

Declaration of Alexander M‘Laren. ever hearing any.

At Kilmarnock, the 26th day of February Do you know any thing about his objecting

in the year 1817, in presence of William to his speech being printed?--No.

Eaton, Esq. Sheriff-substitute of Ayrshire, Lord Advocate. Do you know who drew appeared Alexander M'Laren, weaver in the petition?-No.

Kilmarnock; who being examined, deDid you ever read it?—Yes.

clares, That he is a native of Perthshire,

and in April next he has been eight years David Bow sword.-Examined by

in Kilmarnock. Declares, That there was Mr. Drummond.

a public meeting held at the Dean Park, What is Mr. Baird ?-He has a grocer's

near Kilmarnock, on the 7th of Decem

ber last : That that meeting was for the shop. Were the pamphlets sold at Mr. Baird's

purpose of petitioning Pariament for a

reform of grievances. Declares, That preshop ?-Yes. Many of them ?–Many. I could not say

vious to that meeting there was a com

mittee of certain individuals in Kilmaras to the number. Some dozens?-Yes; some dozens.

nock, for the purpose of bringing about Fifty copies?-I believe there might.

the said meeting : That the declarant at-'

tended that committee, and David RamWhat were they sold for?-Fourpence each.

say Andrews, writer in Kilmarnock, ThoDavid Bow cross-examined by Mr. Jeffrey

mas Baird and Andrew Finnie, merchants

there, also attended that meeting, and the for Thomas Baird.

declarant has reason to suppose they were Do you know if they were sold any where

members of it as well as himself. Deelse? Yes.

clares, That the declarant first appeared Lord Advocate.- Where?-Different persons

on the hustings and opened the meeting; of the committee got them.

and being shewn an “ Account of the Mention who got them?-Mr. Finnie, Mr.

Proceedings of the Public Meeting of the Johnstone.

Burgesses and Inhabitants of the town of How do you know that?-Because I saw

Kilmarnock," and wherein is engrossed, them given away. They were given to be sold on part of the fifth page, sixth, and part by Mr. Baird.

of the seventh page, what the declarant Besides those given to the members of the said at opening the above meeting. Decommittee, several dozens were sold in your

clares, That the declarant has pernsed shop ? -Yes.

said speech, and it is near what the de

clarant said on the above occasion, except James Samson, sworn, - Examined by

what is said about the middle of the sea Mr. Drummond,

venth page about allegiance, which the

declarant thinks he did not deliver in the [The pamphlet was handed to the witness.]

words as expressed in the publication. Have you seen this pamphlet?-Yes.

Declares, That on the morning of the Have you seen in it the statement of a above meeting, the declarant put into wrispeech said to have been made by you?-Yes. ting what he must say at the opening of

Have you read it? Is it a fair account of the meeting: That he afterwards gave his what you said ?- It is near about it.

part of the manuscript to those who were Did you compose the speech yourself ? appointed by the committee to superinNo.

tend the printing of the proceedings, that Where did you get it?-From Mr. Baird. the same might be published along with Before the meeting?-Yes.

the rest. Declares, That James JohnDid you speak or read it ?--I read it.

stone, muslin agent in the Waterside of

Kilmarnock, was called to the chair, and from a memorandum book. And being on that occasion he made a speech, which shown a manuscript consisting of ninewas much approved of by those present. teen pages, declares, That he is pretty Declares, That the resolutions, as engross certain that it is the same that he read ed in said publication, are the same that to the meeting, and which the declarant were read ai the public meeting, and the saw some days afterwards in Walter manuscript was read to the committee, Andrew's office, and which is doqueted previous to the meeting, by Thomas and signed as relative hereto. Declares, Baird, merchant in Kilmarnock, one of That the proceedings were ordered to be the members. Declares, That Hugh Craw printed, and the declarant was appointed ford, printer in Kilmarnock, was employed by the committee, along with several to print the proceedings of the meeting, others, to superintend the printing : That which were afterwards sold at fourpence the declarant assisted in correcting the a-piece, to enable the committee to de grammatical errors in the Manuscript, fray the expenses. Declares, That the de along with the said Walter Andrew, and clarant attended a meeting of the commit the declarant assisted a little at the printtee, when those who spoke gave in their ing-office in correcting the proof copy. manuscripts for printing, and the decla And being shown a half-sheet of paper, rant thinks the foresaid Thomas Baird was titled on the back “ No. 5. Mr. Burt's present: That a committee was appointed letter,” declares, That said words are of to superintend the printing, and the said the declarant's hand-writing, and the said Thomas Baird and Andrew Finnie were half-sheet of paper was given in by the of that committee. And being shewn declarant to the printer, along with the the printed report before mentioned, de rest of the manuscripts; and said halfclares, That he heard none of the authors sheet of paper is doqueted and signed by find fault with any thing that is therein the declarant and sheriff-substitute as contained ; and the said publication is relative hereto. Declares, That the prodoqueted and signed by the declarant and ceedings of said meeting were printed Sheriff as relative hereto. Declares, by Hugh Crawford, and a great number That the words on the sixth page, “The of copies were sent to the declarant's fact is, we are ruled by men only solici shop, and be retailed them at fourpence tous for their own aggrandizement, and a-piece; and being shown a copy of they care no farther for the great body of the publication, declares, That it is a the people than they are subservient to copy of the proceedings which were pubtheir accursed purposes,” were in the ma lished and circulated as above, and is nuscript wrote by the declarant, but were doqueted and signed as relative hereto; not repeated by him at the public meeting all wbich he declares to be true. In witwhen on the hustings as above. And the ness whereof, &c. &c. foregoing declaration being distinctly read over, he declares that it contains the

EVIDENCE IN EXCULPATION. truth. In witness, &c. &c.

James Samson sworn.--Examined by Declaration of Thomas Baird.

Mr. Grant. At Kilmarnock, the 26th day of February You remember a public meeting at Kilmar

in the year 1817, in presence of William nock last December. Was it for the purpose Eaton, Esq. Sheriff-substitute of Ayrshire, of petitioning parliament? or what was the appeared Thomas Baird, merchant in object?-To petition parliament. Kilmarnock; who being examined, de Were you a member of any committee reclares, That there was a meeting of several garding that meeting ?-Yes. persons in the town of Kilmarnock in the Are you well acquainted with the objects of month of November last, for the purpose those who were concerned in that meeting !of taking into consideration whether or not I know as to any meetings I was at of the there should be a general meeting for the committee, what I heard there. purpose of peutioniug the Prince Regent What was its objeci then ?- Entirely to peand both Houses of Parliament for a re- tition parliament. form : That the declarant was preses of the Do you know who were proposed to open first meeting only: That there were several the business of the meeting by a speech?after meetings, some of which the declarant Different persons. attended, and the 7th of December last Do you remember any of their names ?-I was fixed for a general meeting at the could not say I entirely recollect, except him Dean Park: That the declarant attended that did it; but I know that others were proihat meeting, and Alexander M.Laren, posed. weaver in Kilmarnock, mounted the At what time was it proposed that Mr. hustings, and opened the meeting with a M‘Laren should open the meeting !--About a speech: That James Johnstone, muslin week before the meeting took place. agent in Kilmarnock, was called to the Did he accept readily the office of opening chair, and read a speech to the mecting the meeting ?--He did not.

was behind him, and the wind carried the

Did he object to doing it? Yes.

take? Did he oppose those that were on the Did he suggest anyone else to do it?- Opposition side ?—Yes. Yes.

Was he a man given to riotous proceedings, Whom?- Mr. Blackwood.

or was he industrious at his business, and quiet Did he suggest any other person ?-He was in his conduct ?—He was industrious at his for imposing it on me.

business, and quiet in his conduct. Did you consent to do it?-No.

Was he ever connected with any society, What was the last time he urged you ? - except this committee ?—No, never. About an hour before the meeting took Is he a sober man, or is he given to company place.

and liquor?—Not that I know of; he is a sober Did he state he was prepared or unpre- man. pared ?- I did not know that he had anything Were you present at the committee when prepared; but he said he was not a fit hand there was a talk of printing the proceedings ?for it.

Yes. It was on your refusal that he undertook the Did you see, or hear read before the comoffice himself !-Yes.

mittee, a maðuscript purporting to be a speech What was the object of the petition? What of Mr. MʻLaren-It was not at that comwas it about ?-To obtain a reform in parlia- mittee I think; it was at a previous one. ment.

There was a subsequent committee ?-Yes.' Was there any conversation as to what was And you heard read over what purported to be done in case the petitions were not as to be a speech of Mr. M‘Laren ?-Yes. sented to ?-Yes. What was to be done ?- To pétition again.

|| The pamphlet was handed to the witness.] Did you hear Mr. MʻLaren make his Did you ever read this publication ?-Yes. speech ?-I was present and heard some of it, Do you recollect a passage in the printed but I did not hear it distinctly.

speech about allegiance ?-I could not say; I From what cause ?-One reason was, that I think so.

Look at these words. Do you remember sound of his voice to the other side ; and as I hearing the manuscript read? and do you knew I had to read a speech myself, I was a recollect in it the words at the end about little agitated.

allegiance, and so on, which are now in that From the general import of the speech, did printed paper ?—I could not say they were you gather its purpose was, to excite riot and there. disturbance, or to induce people to come for Can you say they were not there ?- They ward to sign this petition ?--The latter. were not there, I think, when he delivered the

Do you know that petitions were proposed ? paper. -Not then. The resolutions were read and Say what was not there?-I think the two approved of, and the petitions were to be ac or three last lines were not in the manuscript : cording to the spirit of these resolutions. “ Yes, my fellow countrymen, in such a case, What steps were taken for preparing the

with our allegiance.” petitions ?–I could not say positively about Do you recollect the appearance of the that.

manuscript?-I think it was folded in a narDid you sign any petitions ?-Yes. row strip like a sheet folded over again. How many ?-Three, I think.

It had been folded, I think, before it was To whom were they addressed P-To the written on. Prince Regent, the House of Lords, and the Was the paper folded thus ?– A sheet of House of Commons.

foolscap paper shown to the witness folded in Do you know whether they were forwarded ? octavo.}-Yes, it was folded in that manner. -I believe they were.

Was it written bookwise ?-Yes, I think Were you ever molested in consequence of so. having signed any of these petitions !-No. I do not ask you who did what I am going

Did you ever hear of any one being mo to mention, but did any body at that commits lested ?-No.

tee, not Mr. M'Laren, make any pencil markHave you known Mr. M'Laren a long time? ing on that paper ?—Yes, I think they did. It --A considerable tiine.

was not Mr. M'Laren. In your opinion what was his character as to Do you know what these marks were?-I quietness of demeanor and loyalty ?-He was did not see the marks. regarded as one of the loyalest men where he Did you hear any person' read the alteration lived previous to this charge of sedition. made by the marks ?--Yes.

Have you ever conversed with him on poli Was this correction immediately read ?tical questions ?-Sometimes about the doors ; Yes. and I have heard him dispute with others, and Did the person who read that correction read support the side of administration.

it as a correction he had made with these pencil How long ago is it since you heard him ex marks?-I think he did. press his opinion on such subjects? - More than What was the purport of that correction? a year since..

It'is now at the end of this printed speech. Io disputing with others what side did he You signed the petition to the House of



Commons : sbould you know the purport of it, may state the import of them in the address to if you saw it?-I think I should.

the jury; but they cannot be put in here in Look at that ? Spage 82, of the printed votes evidence. of the House of Commons.)-I cannot

Lord Advocate. If any statement had been collect every word or sentence. I think that

made to me of a wish that the trial should is the petition. I see seatences that were

have been delayed, I would have willingly there. You recollect the words where you see a X?

conceded the delay. -I could not say positively.

Mr. Grunt.—The thing was not thought of Do you recollect any of them? --One part sufficient importance, and the mistake did not about " indemnity for the past” in the sentence appear till last night. --[The passage which Mr. Grant read was

Mr. Clerk.-Your lordships have heard some pointed out to the witness.) Do you remember that passage ?–I cannot for the purpose of petitioning the Regent and

evidence which shows that the meeting was remember it.

the two Houses of Parliament. And you have James Samson' cross-examined by the heard that a petition was forwarded to the Lord Advocate.

House of Commons; and reference has been Who were present when these pencil marks the printed votes of that house.* We wish

made to a paper, which we state to be a copy of were made on the manuscript speech? -I for

to produce evidence of this, and of some others one. I suppose so. Who more -John Ken

of the same description, for the purpose of

showing what sort of language is permitted to nedy. That is two. Any more ?-Archibald Craig. it is for our plea to show you what language it

that House. I need not state how necessary That is three. Who else was there!—I do is lawful to use in such cases. In preparing not recollect any. Do you say there were no more present?- such language must of course also be permit

the petitions, and in debates on the subject, There were others.

ted. We can have the productions proved by Let us hear the names of some more of them ?

Mr. Grant.
-Mr. Baird was there.
Was M'Laren ?-He was there.

Lord Advocate.— I think it competent to obWas it by any of those you have named ject to these productions, and to the evidence that the pencil marking was made ?-Yes. proposed to be brought as to the accuracy of Which of them ?-Mr. Baird.

them. You have the book lying before you, tell us Mr. Clerk.- Do you admit them? what was altered ? - The latter clauses or clause.

Lord Advocate.--I have not read them, and Was any thing put in or left out?-It was I know nothing of them. put in the manuscript by Mr. Baird.

Lord Justice Clerk.-The lord advocate only Did he give his reason for putting it in ?- admits that it is the practice to print votes of Yes; because the manuscript delivered was

the House, and that these offered in evidence not complete according to the way in which have the appearance of being copies. It is the speech was spoken, and therefore, Mr. Baird

not usual to call on counsel to be evidence in

the trial. As an agent for the prisoners could Did Mr. MʻLaren make any objections to not be admitted as evidence, I think it would this alteration ?-I did not hear.

be betier to call on some other person than Mr. Grant.-We would have brought seve- ' Mr. Grant. I observe a noble lord present ral witnesses in addition to those for the whose testimony might be given. crown, to testify as to the character of the

Lord Gillies.-Mr. Grait can be examined prisoner M‘Laren; and it is my duty to inform

as a haver. you of a mistake by which we have been deprived of this opportunity. The letters of Lord Advocate.-I go so far as to say that exculpation, with instructions to cite witnesses I have no reason to doubt the genuineness of to prove the good character of the prisoner the copies. M'Laren, were, by a mistake of the proprietors of the coach at Kilmarnock, forwarded to a

Mr. Clerk.-I conceive you have been in person of the same name as that on the address the use to receive papers from agents, and to on the parcel in a different town, and not re

examine them as havers of these papers. An turned till the night of Thursday before the agent does not give parole evidence in the trial, which circumstance we are in condition to prove to your lordships ; and we have land, evidence. 8 How. Mod. St. Tr. 683;

Even the printed Journals are not, in Engtherefore nothing we can legally produce in addition to the testimony given of their cha- 1 Phil

. Ev. 406. racters. But we have certificates which your of the counsel for the panel M'Laren; he was

+ Mr. Grant the proposed witness, was one lordships may perhaps allow to be read.

at the time of this trial a member of the House Lord Justice Clerk.-Not at present; you of Commons,

put it in.

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