seen them, but for me to say he had no arms about him, I cannot; he might have them in his pocket. Had he a sword by his side?--I did not observe that. Had he pistols in his belt?—I did not see them. Or a musket in his hand ?-I think I must have seen it; but when the officers entered, the arms were principally lying on the bench; if they had not, I think the consequences must have been more fatal than they were. Robert Adams re-examined by Do you remember any person ever bringing any bullets to the room? Yes. How many?—He stated the number to be about five hundred; this was at the room in Fox-court, on the Tuesday morning, and he had a hand-saw in his right hand. You have been asked about the Christian religion; what was it that led you to disbelieve in the Christian religion ?-The thing that led me to disbelieve the Christian religion, was the works of Paine on the Christian religion, that were put into my hands by Mr. Tidd himself. You have been asked as to other persons; was Palin in Cato-street?-No. Was Potter in Cato-street?-No. Was Cook in Cato-street?-No, not to my knowledge; I did not see him there. Did you find any of the persons to whom Palin alluded as his men ?-No, I did not. There were some persons who were to set fire to the town, of whom you knew nothing? -No; he had a party from his own mouth, that he was to call on, of whom I knew nothing. Did you know any thing of Cook's party?— I did not. You knew nothing either of Palin's or Cook's party; the one being to take possession of the cannon, and the other to set fire to the town? -No I think you say Hall was in the room at the I believe you are the niece and servant of lane? Yes. Did Brunt, who has been tried here, lodge in your house?—Yes. Had he lodged there for many months before last January?-It would have been a twelve month this last Easter. What rooms did he occupy ?-The two front rooms on the second-floor. In the month of January last, did he introduce any person to you to take another room? -Yes, What room was that?-The two-pair of stairs back room. Who was the person whom he so introduced? -Ings. The person who has been tried?—Yes. Did he state to you what Ings was?—No, he did not. Was it at all mentioned what business Ings was?-No; he said perhaps he might bring his goods in in a week. The room was unfurnished?—Yes. The rent was three shillings a week ?—Yes. Did Ings ever bring any goods in?-Not to my knowledge. Mary Rogers sworn.-Examined by month of January last, a two-pair of stairs Ings, I understand. the room?—Four or five. best of my knowledge; he left one unpaid. In the course of those four weeks, did you Ings was?—I did. make inquiry of Brunt as to who and what What did he state to you was Ings's business? -He stated that he was a butcher, and that he knew nothing more of him than seeing him in a public-house, and hearing him inquire for a lodging. Did Ings ever bring any furniture in ?— Never. do you recollect any evening seeing any perIn the course of the time that he occupied it, sons go up stairs?--Yes, very well. How many in number?—Three men. Was there any thing remarkable in the person of either of the three?-The middle one was a black man. [A paper was handed to the court by the prisoner question to be put? Davidson. They are pretending to know me, but I do not press the question. Mr. Baron Garrow.-Do not deceive yourself: the question you have now handed up to be put by your counsel, is one which in its present form he would not have put, and probably would not have put at all: you would she has not said that she has known you; she is also do well to be attentive to the evidence : not asked whether you are the person, and therefore the jury and I shall not take it that she at least has proved that you were; but if your question is put, it is not at all improbable that better recollection might fix that you were. Davidson.-I understood at first that she did speak to knowing me. Mr. Baron Garrow. No, she neither has done so upon this nor upon a former occasion. Davidson.-I am obliged to your lordship. Joseph Hale sworn.-Examined by Mr. Gurney. Were you apprentice to the prisoner Brunt, who has been tried?—Yes. Did you live with him at his lodgings in Fox-court-Yes. He occupied two rooms?—Yes. One he occupied as a workshop, and the other as a room to live in?—Yes. Did you sleep in the workshop?—Yes. Do you remember a back room on the same floor being looked at by a person in January last? Yes. By whom?-By Ings and Brunt. After they had looked at it together, did you hear either of them speak to the other upon the subject ?—I did. Who spoke ?-Brunt spoke. What did Brunt say to Ings?—He said "It will do; go down and give them a shilling." Did Ings go down? Yes. Had you known Ings before that?—Yes. How long?-About a fortnight before was the first time I had ever seen him. In whose company had you seen him?—He was with Thistlewood in Brunt's workshop. How many times had you seen him at Brunt's in the course of that fortnight?-I do not remember seeing him but twice before he took the room. The same evening in which Brunt and Ings had looked at the room, did Ings come there? -Yes. How did he get into the room?—He came and asked Mrs. Brunt for the key. She had the key?—Yes. Did she give it him?-Yes. Did he go into the room?-Yes, he did. Did any other persons come into that room, on that night?-Hall, the tailor, came with Ings. Though you might not see, did you hear any other persons come into that room on that night? Yes, I believe there were. Your master was taken up, I believe, on Thursday the 24th of February?—Yes. From the time that the room was taken by Ings, till your master was taken up, were any meetings of persons held in that room?-Yes. At what time of the day do you recollect meetings to have been held?-Mostly they were held about seven o'clock in the evening. Give me the names of persons that you have seen come to those meetings?-Thistlewood, Ings, Davidson By Davidson, do you mean the prisoner? -Yes; Brunt, Bradburn, Adams, Strange, Potter, Hall, Edwards. Look at the bar, and see whether you see any other person there?-No, I do not remember seeing any other. Do you know any person of the name of Tidd? Yes. VOL. XXXIII. Do you know his person, or only his name? Do you see him at the bar ?—Yes. Mr. Baron Garrow.-I have taken him to mention the name of Tidd. A Juryman.-We did not hear him name him before. Another Juryman.—I did. Mr. Gurney. I will put the question; did you see Tidd come to that room?—Yes. Mr. Baron Garrow.-Thistlewood, Ings, Tidd, Hall, Davidson, Edwards, Potter, Adams, Strange, Bradburn; do you recollect any others?—No. Mr. Gurney.-Did you know Tidd well?— I have seen him coming to Brunt's many times. Was he of the same trade as your master? -Yes. Did he come to your master about work?I do not know that he did, but I have seen him at our lodgings. Have you ever been at his lodgings?—Yes. Where were they?-In Hole-in-the-wallpassage, Brook's-market. On any occasion when you passed the door of that room, was it open?—Yes. Did you see any thing in it ?—Yes. What?-I saw some long poles, like branches of trees, rough as they came from the tree. About how many in number ?-About twenty. In the course of the time this room was used in this way, did you hear any work going on in it? Yes. What kind of work?-I have heard hammering and sawing. On the Sunday before your master was taken up, was there any meeting in that room? -Yes. At what time of the day ?-In the morning. Was it a larger or a smaller meeting than usual?-I believe it was a larger one. Were the persons whom you have named all there?-Yes. Are you sure, particularly, that Tidd was there?—Yes. Are you sure Davidson was there?—Yes. Did they all go away together, or separately ?-Separately, one or two at a time. Was your master in the room with them?→→ Yes. After the meeting broke up, did any person come out of the room with your master, into your master's room?—Yes. Who was that?-Strange. On the Monday and on the Tuesday, were their meetings held in that room?—Yes. On the Wednesday, was there any number of persons there?—Yes. Do you remember any persons being there at about two o'clock ?—Yes. 4 T Who were they?-Strange, and a person whom I do not know. Did Strange and that person come into your workshop?-Yes. What did they do there?-They were flinting pistols. How many pistols ?-Five or six. Did they finish the flinting of them, or did any thing interrupt them?-There were persons overlooking them. Who observed that?-I do not know the man. That stranger observed that ?-Yes. What message did he give her?-He said, if any persons called, she was to send them to the White Hart. That is a public-house close by?—Yes. Did your mistress direct them to the White Did they know the way?—No. What was done to show them the way ?-1 went and showed them the way. Upon your return, did you find any other persons P-When I came to the door, I was What did Brunt say upon that?-Brunt told there two or three minutes, and Potter came up. them to go into the back-room. Did they do so?—Yes. In the course of that afternoon, were there several persons in the back-room?—Yes. Did any person come out of the back-room, and ask you for any thing?—Yes. Who did ?-Thistlewood. What did he ask you for?-A piece of writing paper. Did you give it him?—Yes, I did. Where did he go with it?-Into the back room. After that, did any other person come out of the back-room to you?—Yes. Who?-Brunt. Did you direct him to the White Hart also? -Yes. Were there any persons with him?—Yes. Did you go to the White Hart to show him the way?—No. Why did you not?—He appeared to me to know the way. At about what time did your master come home?-At about nine o'clock. Were the tail of his great coat, and his boots in the same condition as when he went out?No. In what condition were they-They were very muddy. Did you hear what he said to his wife when What did he desire you to do?-He told me he came in ?—Yes. to go and get some cartridge paper. How much?-Six sheets. Did you go and buy it?—Yes. Did you give it to him?—Yes. Where did he take it to?-Into the back room. This was on the Wednesday?—Yes. At about what time did your master go out?-At about six o'clock. What did he say?-He said it was all up, or words to that effect. Did he appear composed or otherwise?—He appeared confused. What more did he say?-He said he had saved his life, and that was all. Did he say what had happened to put his life in danger?—Yes; he said where he had been a lot of officers had come in. Just after he had said that, did any other After this, had your mistress occasion for any thing for the purpose of making tea?-person come in?-Yes. Yes, she wanted a table. The table was ordinarily in your living room?-Yes. To what place did she send you to get it? Did you knock at the door?—Yes. After that, did any other person call ?—Yes. Did he come into Mrs. Brunt's room? Did she show him any thing?—Yes. What?-She showed him a pike-head and a sword, which hung in one of the cupboards. What did she ask him?-She asked him what she could do with them. What did he say He said, if she would give them to him, he would take them away. Did he take them?-Yes. To what place?-To the back-room. After that, did you hear any persons go down stairs from that room?-Yes. After those persons were gone, did any body come into your mistress's room and speak to her?—Yes. Was that person known to you, or a stranger to you?-I do not know who it is. How did Brunt receive him?-He shook hands with him, and asked him if he knew who had informed. Mr. Baron Garrow.-Try to give us the very words.-Ile shook hands with him, and said, "Do you know who has informed him." Mr. Gurney.-Can you remember the first words he used when he came in ?-Those were the words to the best of my recollection, What did the stranger say?-He said, no, he did not. From the manner of their speaking to each other, did it appear to you that they had been together?-Yes. he had had a dreadful blow on the side, and What more did the stranger say ?-He said was knocked down. Mr. Baron Garrow.-That you understood to be speaking to the same transaction of which your master had been speaking ?—Yes. Mr. Gurney.-After that, did your master say any thing?—Yes; he said, "there is something to be done yet." After saying that, what did he and the stranger do?-They both went away together. After they were gone, did Mrs. Brunt and you go into the back room ?-Yes. What did you see there?-I saw in some of the cupboards a lot of rolls of brown paper, with tar in them, and four large balls, made of string tarred, as big as my two fists. What do you now understand them to be?—I have heard since that they are hand-grenades. Any thing else?—Yes, some flannel bags; two of them were full of something. The others were empty?—Yes; and some cartridge paper. Was there any iron pot?—Yes. To whom did that pot belong?-Brunt. Did your mistress take the things out, or leave them in the cupboard?-Left them in the cupboard. At what time did your master come home? -At about eleven o'clock. Before he went to bed did he give you any instructions for the next morning?-Yes, he told me to get up as soon as I could, and clean his boots. Did you get up soon in the morning, and clean his boots ?-Yes, I did. After that, did he make any inquiry of you? -Yes. What was that?-He asked me if I knew the Borough, I told him yes. Did he ask you whether you knew any place in the Borough ?-He asked me if I knew Snow's fields; I told him, no. Did he then tell you where to go to ?-Yes, to go to Kirby-street Snow's fields. To whose house?-To the house of a man of the name of Potter. Did he tell you what you were to take?He said I was to take the things that were in the back room. Did he and you go together into the back room P-Yes. What did you take with you?-We took two rush baskets. What did he direct you to put into those baskets?-The things that were in the cupboard. Those things you had seen the night before? -Yes. They took possession of the two baskets containing those things, and the iron pot?Yes. Joseph Hale cross-examined by Do you know a man of the name of Dwyer? -No. You say you do know Edwards ?—Yes. They were frequently there?—Yes. when they spoke ?-No. Mr. Gurney.-Will you forgive me asking one question? You have mentioned Thistlewood as one of the persons who used to come ? Yes. By what name did the others use to address him?-Sometimes T. and sometimes Arthur. Did you hear the other persons call each other by their names?—Yes. the man called by his Christian name many Mr. Curwood.-I dare say you have heard times, have not you?—Yes. And sometimes by the first letter of his name?-Yes; and sometimes by his name, Thistlewood. You say Adams and Edwards were frequently there?—Yes. More frequently than the other people do you think?-Edwards was there oftener than Adams, but Adams used sometimes to come up. Thomas Smart sworn.-Examined by Are you a watchman?—Yes. Were you at watch on the night of the 22nd of February last, in Grosvenor-square?—I was. Did you see any men there who particularly attracted your notice ?—I saw four. What time of night was it?-It was about half-past eight, or a quarter before nine, at the furthest ; after I had called half-past eight. What were they doing?-They were looking through the palisades; they stood at the corner when I went up to them. Where was that?—It was at Mr. Maberly's house they were at that time; they were looking about, and I went up to see what they wanted. Did you say any thing to them ?-They asked me what o'clock it was, and I told them it was near nine, Did you observe any thing about the appearance of any of them?-I thought they were very suspicious characters; one of them had a stick. Was one of them a dark man?—Yes; a man of colour. Do you know whether Bissix was a watchman there ?-Yes, I called Bissix to make observation, telling him I saw some suspicious characters. Henry Gillan sworn. orn.-Examined by Mr. Bolland. You live at No. 15, Mount-street, Berkeleysquare ? Yes. Do you ever frequent the Rising Sun publichouse-I go there sometimes. Did you happen to be there on the 22nd of . February last?—Yes. How is the house situate?—The corner of Adams-mews and Charles-street. What time of the day or evening were you there?-Between nine and ten o'clock. While you were there, did either of the prisoners at the bar come in ?-No, neither of those; Adams and Brunt were the men that came in. Had they any refreshment?—Yes; some bread and cheese, and some porter. Did you play at any game with either of them?-I played two games at dominos with them. With which of them?-With Brunt. At what time did you leave the house?—At near ten o'clock. Did you leave Adams and Brunt there?— John Hector Morison sworn.-Examined by Are you journeyman to Mr. Henry Thomas Do you know a man of the name of Ings? Did his regimental duty make him acquaintwith the King-street barracks?—Yes. Were there any windows in those barracks looking into Grosvenor-mews? — No, Gloucester-mews; five windows looking out of the loft. I believe they are stopped up?—Yes, they are. How long have they been stopped up?→ They were stopped up some two or three days after the affair in Cato-street. What did the lofts contain?-Hay and straw chiefly. Was it possible for a person, by throwing any thing in at either of those windows, to produce a fire?—At one window particularly, opposite where the straw was lodged. Mr. Baron Garrow. What quantity of straw do you think was in that situation at that time?-Two or three loads, I suppose, at the least. In a situation which might have been reached by a fire-ball going in at the window ?— Yes, most undoubtedly; perhaps it was not situated above four feet from the window. do. James Aldous sworn.- Examined by You are a pawnbroker, I believe?—I am. How long have you known him?-Two or three years. Did he, at any time, pawn with you a blunderbuss, and of what description?-A brassbarrelled blunderbuss. Did he take it out of pawn; and if so, when? You now know that man who has been tried-On the 23rd of February, that morning. here?-Yes. Did Ings bring you any thing in the way of trade to do?-He brought me a sword to grind, on Christmas Eve. Did he give you any directions respecting it?-To be ground sharp, from the heel to the point, and likewise the back to be ground. Was that done for him ?-Yes. Who fetched away the sword?-He did himself. Have you seen that instrument since ?-Yes, I have. In the custody of the officers of Bow-street? -Of Mr. Ruthven. Mr. Baron Garrow.-Is that the same that was pointed out to you here?—It was shown to me, but not in this court. But you have seen it in the possession of Ruthven ?—I have. |