He is a shoe-maker?--Yes.

Do you know a man of the name of Palin? -Yes; Palin was not so regular; he attended from the Sunday.

From what Sunday?-Sunday the 20th of February; that was the first time I saw him there.

Had you seen Potter there?-Yes, I had seen him before that; but I cannot charge my memory with the time.

What was Hall?-A tailor by trade. After you came out of prison, which was on the 30th of January, will you tell us what passed at those meetings?—I called up on the evening of the Monday, and there I found several of them; I cannot charge my memory that any thing particular passed that night.

Direct your attention to some meeting where

Lord Chief Baron.-Were the new ferrules brought in that evening ?—No; Brunt brought those ferrules in the course of the day, and put them on.

Mr. Solicitor General. Do you mean the same day?-No; I saw them afterwards. Do you remember being there a short time before the funeral of the king?—Yes.

Whom did you find there at that time?—I found Thistlewood, Harrison, Davidson, and Wilson.

Tell us what passed at that meeting? - At this meeting Harrison told Thistlewood that he had seen one of the Life-guards, and he had learnt from him that every Life-guardsman that could be mounted, was to attend the funeral of the late king, as well as all the foot

would be there, and the police officers that could be spared from London, were to be there at the same time.

Harrison?-Yes. Edwards? Yes.

What did you see in the room at that time? -I saw a number of pike-staves.

Was there any furniture in the room?-At the time we were there, there were some chairs brought in.

Was there any furniture belonging to the room?-No, only the stove that was fixed.

When you used the room, where did you get chairs? They were brought from Brunt's room, the adjoining room.

What sort of things were those pike-staves you have mentioned ?-They were rough, just as if they had just come from the country, quite green.

What passed as to these pike-staves?—I saw Bradburn cut the ends of the staves off, and knock the ferrules on.

Lord Chief Buron.-You did not mention Bradburn as being there?-He was there.

Mr. Baron Garrow.-Do you mean the end of one, or the ends of more of them?-One end of each pike staff; after they were all knocked on this first dozen, it was considered, in consequence of the ferrule being too small, that in boring the hole and cutting the stick down to it, the end of the pike staff would not be strong enough to support it: that is all I can speak to respecting that time.

Mr. Solicitor General.-Was any thing done afterwards to alter them?-Yes; they were cut off again, and some ferrules put in.

By Bradburn-Bradburn had instructions to get the ferrules, but he did not get them, and afterwards Brunt bought the ferrules larger and deeper.

Do you know whether Bradburn is a carpenter?—I suspected he was a carpenter, but

was not certain.

Were those new ferrules put on in the room at that place?-They were.

Harrison, who made this communication, I think you say had been in the Life-guards? -Yes.

Do you know how long he had left the Lifeguards?-I cannot say; I have heard him say he had been in the Life-guards.

Having made this communication, as coming from the Life-guardsman, what did he say further?-He said that after he had left the Life guardsman, it occurred to his mind, that this might be a favourable opportunity to collect what men they had amongst themselves together on that night, with an intention to kick up a riot in London, as he thought all the officers, soldiers and what not, would be out of London, that there would be nobody left in London that could protect it scarcely; on his coming into the room, seeing Thistlewood, he communicated his thoughts to Mr. Thistlewood.

He said that had passed in his mind, in consequence of the communication of the Life-guardsman ?—Yes.

And on Thistlewood coming into the room, he communicated those ideas to Thistlewood?

Yes, he did, it meeting with Thistlewood's ideas: Thistlewood immediately improves upon the plan how it should be done; he proposed that the two pieces of cannon in Gray'sinn-lane should be taken, and the six pieces taken on the same night; after this was done, of cannon at the Artillery-ground were to be they thought it highly necessary to send a party up to Hyde-park corner, in order to prevent any orderly being sent from London to Windsor, to communicate what was going on in London; at the same time he proposed that the telegraph over the water should be taken, in order to prevent this telegraph communicating any intelligence to Woolwich of what was going on in London; he thought at the same time it would be necessary to cut trenches across the road, in order to prevent any cannon from Woolwich entering London.

Who said that?-Thistlewood. The whole of what you have now been stating, was said by Thistlewood?-Yes; on doing this, he thought the soldiers, being so far distant from London, in coming up from Windsor, they would not be able to come up to London time enough to render the country assistance, that they would be so knocked up and fatigued that they would not be able to do any thing. Here Mr. Thistlewood, for the first time that I can vouch for, said that there must be an offer made to the soldiers, in order to bring the soldiers over to them, and if they found that the soldiers were determined to act against them (Harrison was the man that proposed the hand-grenades, that were made for the destruction of human creatures), they were to enter the houses in the streets, and fling those hand-grenades in among the soldiers in the streets to destroy them as fast as possible.

Was any thing said about the ports?-It was proposed by Thistlewood, that there should be men sent to the different sea-ports, such as Dover, Brighton, Margate, and those different places, with an express order, that, if any persons were suffered to leave the country without an order from the provisional government, their towns were to be blown down over their heads; he mentioned particularly that they ought as soon as they could collect force enough, which he had no doubt they should, to send a very strong force down to Brighton, in case the new king should be there after the riot was kicked up, which he did not suppose he would in consequence of his indisposition; they were to plunder Brighton, and as for his being crowned as king, Thistlewood said that was all nonsense, for that we did not intend that should ever be; this finishes the subject, I believe.

After that conversation had taken place, did the prisoner at the bar, and any other person, come into the room?—Yes.

Who? Ings and Brunt came into the

room.

Was the subject of the previous conversation communicated to them?-It was communicated to them both by Thistlewood.

Can you tell us what Brunt said?-Brunt and Ings expressed themselves both together, that there would be nothing short of the assassination of the ministers should satisfy them.

Had Brunt at any time before that, told you any thing about any plan to assassinate his majesty's ministers ?-On the 2nd of January. Was that before he had introduced you to Thistlewood?-It was.

At the meeting to which you spoke when I first asked you the question?In his own

room.

When you called upon him?—Yes. Was it at that meeting ?There was no meeting then.

When you and he met upon that occasion, did he communicate that plan to you? He

communicated this plan to me on the 2nd of January in the street, as we were walking along.

Then upon this occasion to which you have now been speaking, he said that nothing would satisfy him except the assassination of his majesty's ministers?—Yes.

Mr. Baron Garrow. You do not ask him

as to the particulars of that conversation.

Mr. Solicitor General, - No, my lord, not the details of it. Did any thing further pass at that meeting after he and Ings had said that nothing would satisfy them but the assassination of his majesty's ministers ?-This was the night when Ings expressed himself in the room, that he had been to the Park, with the sole intention to shoot the Prince Regent, as he was at the time.

Did he produce any thing? - He produced a pistol from his pocket, and said that was the pistol that he had taken; he pulled the pistol from his left pocket, held it out in that way, and said "Damn my mortal eyes, but that is the pistol that I took;" that was the very expression.

Upon what occasion was it he said he went into the Park to shoot the Prince Regent?It was the time that the Prince Regent went to open the Parliament.

When Brunt had originally communicated to you this intention to assassinate his majesty's ministers, did he say when that was to be done?-It was to be done the first time the ministers assembled together for a dinner. What dinner?-What they call a cabinet dinner.

Do you remember a meeting that took place on Saturday the 19th of February ?— Perfectly well.

Who was present at that meeting?—I saw Thistlewood, Brunt, Harrison and Wilson; and Ings was there.

What passed at that meeting? was that in the forenoon or evening?-It was between eleven and twelve o'clock.

Was Davidson there at that time?—I cannot positively say.

Tell us what passed at that meeting?-On my going into the room, they sat with their heads together, as if they were in a consultation about something; I pretty soon found out what.

What was it? They got up all on the sudden, Thistlewood said, "Well, it is agreed; if nothing transpire between this and Wednesday-night, we intend to go to work, as we are all so poor we cannot wait any longer." Thistlewood proposed directly, that there should be a committee sit at nine o'clock to-morrow morning, in order to draw up a plan to act upon.

Was that agreed to?-Yes; he gave orders to Brunt at the same time to tell the men that were to come by his instructions, to come armed. Here Brunt expressed himself, saying, "it is a parcel of nonsense," with an oath,

That if they came to the room, they were to be murdered?-That he would take care they should be murdered; and he would take good care that it should not be found out.

Prisoner. My lord, can the witness look me in the face, and the jury, and state that? Witness.-I can, with a good conscience. Prisoner. Then you are a bigger villain than I took you for before.

Lord Chief Baron.-You will be at liberty to say any thing you choose by and by, but you should not interrupt the examination.

Mr. Solicitor General.-Look at the jury, and state whether that is a fact?

Witness. It is the fact, and you know it yourself Brunt.

Tell us what passed at that meeting?Between eleven and twelve o'clock, on the 20th January, Thistlewood looking round the room, seeing twelve men→→

Do you mean January or February?-February; Thistlewood seeing twelve men, said, "Well, gentlemen, we may as well proceed to business; here is enough to form a committee;" Tidd was proposed to take the chair.

Mr. Baron Garrow.-He had not mentioned Tidd as being present at this meeting?

Witness.-On Tidd taking the chair, with a pike in his hand

Lord Chief Baron.-Was he there when you went in, or did he come in afterwards?—He was there among the first I might, gentlemen of the jury, possibly, not charge my memory as to all that might be in the room, at the different times I was there. Though I

Mr. Solicitor General.-If the prisoner desire it, look more towards the jury, so that the prisoner may see you. After this did they separate? Then they separated.

You spoke of some pike-staves, had you seen any other arms of any description before the Saturday?—I had seen a sword; I had seen those band-grenades; some of them were

then in the room.

One sword, or two?-One sword, and some hand-grenades which were made in the room; and I have seen pistols pulled from their different pockets.

Were those things that you saw from time to time in the room kept there, or were they carried on to some other place?-They were removed from there to Tidd's lodgings in Hole-in-the-wall-passage.

What was that place called?-The dépôt. Was any reason given why they were not kept there?-The reason given by Mr. This tlewood that he wished them to be removed from that room to the dépôt was, that they might be there safe, in case any body should come into the room who did not know any thing of their intentions, that he should not have any suspicion what their intentions were.

Did this meeting take place in pursuance of the arrangement on the Sunday-morning? Allow me one moment, as Mr. Brunt has denied what I have said. Brunt was the man who carried the principal part of those handgrenades to Mr. Tidd's, for I followed him there myself; I followed him into the room of Tidd, and saw them lie on the floor; and I saw Tidd's daughter put them into the box under the window with my own eyes.

Did this meeting take place on the following morning?—Yes, the Sunday. Who was there?-There was Thistlewood, VOL. XXXIII.

room, he certainly was there, for he was the first that spoke to me in the room. On order left hand side of Tidd, said, "Well, gentlebeing called, Mr. Thistlewood, standing on the men, as we are all met here, we have no occamention of any names; I suppose you all sion," turning his head to the door, "to make know what you are met for, and as we have all waited so long, with an expectation of the ministers dining together, finding there is no likeli hood of their coming together, we have come to the resolution, that in case nothing occurs between this and next Wednesday-night, we intend to take them separately;" he then begins to state his plan. He proposed then the west-end job; he called the job that was intended to assassinate, "the west-end job." He proposed after this was done, or at least at the same time, that the two pieces of cannon in Gray's-inn-lane should be taken and the six pieces of cannon at the Artilleryground should be taken, and that Mr. Palin should take the command of another party, in order to set fire to the different buildings; Cook was the man that was appointed to take the lead of taking the six cannon in the Artillery-ground.

Mr. Solicitor General.-To take the command of the party that was to take them?Yes.

Was Cook at that meeting?-He was, I mentioned him. As to the time, he said we could not come to the exact time, for the present, but we should have an opportunity between that time and the time of its being to be executed, to fix the time, but he thought forty men would be enough for the west-end job, and more if he could get them, of which he said he had no doubt, and as to further proceedings on the plan, that would be too at another time.

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