I want to see; he said, there would be a cabinet-dinner at lord Harrowby's in Grosvenor square, and I was to be sure to come; I wished to know where, he said to John-street, to the Horse and groom; he told me I was to go into the public-house, or stay by the corner till I was shoved into a stable close by; that I was to meet him at a quarter before six or by six; I asked him how many there were going to be? he said about twenty or thirty there, but those were not all, for, he added, there was a party in the Borough, and another in Gray's-inn-lane, and another in the city or Gee's-court, I am not certain which he said; he said that all those living in Gee's-court were in it; but they would not act unless the English began first." You have heard from other evidence, that the court in question is chiefly inhabited by Irish, and therefore Wilson told him that they would not act unless the English began first; indeed it is followed up by saying "Gee's-court had all embarked in it; he told me they were all Irishmen that inhabited Gee's-court; he said after they had done in Grosvenor-square, they were to meet somewhere about the Mansionhouse; he told me, also, there were pieces of cannon which could be easily got in Gray's-innlane, by knocking in a small door; that there were four pieces at another place, which they could get by only killing the sentry in the Artillery-ground, where exactly I cannot recollect; I promised him to come, and he promised me to be there a quarter before six; I went to John-street, but I was behind my time in consequence of business; it was nearly seven o'clock; I saw Wilson and Davidson; Davidson is the man of colour; they stood at the corner of the gateway; I had known Davidson a long time before; they said, you are behind your time; I said, yes, I could not keep it; Davidson asked me if I was going in, saying, Mr. Thistlewood was there; I told him I could not go in, for I had been employed to go and get some cream, and I asked when do you go away; he said, he thought about eight, and if gone away, I was to follow them into Grosvenor-square, and he told me that I was to be at the bottom of the square, the fourth house from the corner at the bottom of the square; Davidson said, come you dog, this is the best thing you ever had to do with in your life." Upon a paper being produced to him, he says, "this is the letter which, before this meeting in Cato-street, in Hyde-park, I myself personally delivered to lord Harrowby."

On his cross-examination, he says, "the let ter is my writing. I was a cowkeeper about four years; I never was a shoemaker before I was a cowkeeper; I was a gentleman's servant, and I was brought up to farming; I lived in my last place, at colonel Bridges's in South Audley-street, that is six or it may be seven years ago, I cannot precisely say; he had the whole house, but whether it was a hired house furnished by him or taken furnished, I do not know; I did not live long with him, it might be two or three months, it might be two or it

might be one, at this distance of time I cannot exactly say which; I lived with major Dive; a year and three months, in Tavistock-street, Bedford-square, I lived there as a footman, he keeping only one; I then went to Mr. Brice, in Stratton-street; for the last five years I have been a milkman or a cow-keeper, I have lived in Manchester-mews three years, my family has been there; I have been two or three or four months from home at a time, and I have been lately for debt in the prison of the Marshalsea; I was in prison for about eighteen pounds due to Mr. Powell, who is a milkman and a cow-keeper, I went in last Saturday, being taken then in execution. In the beginning of last summer, I was out of the way between two and three months, it might be June or July or August, or the beginning of September, but not so late I believe as October; I was at home at different times in July and August, my wife and my family carry on the business, she and my family remained there and carried on my business for me; my family still live in Manchester-mews, at least they did last Saturday morning, and they have been there all the time I have mentioned, and are there now for all I know; they are living there now, my sister told me so to-day; I have known Davidson for three or or four months; I do not know Edwards; I know a Mr. Edwards; the person you are inquiring for may be the person whom I know; the Mr. Edwards I know lives two hundred miles in the country." therefore he thinks that cannot be the person about whom the counsel for the prisoner was inquiring; he says, “I carried on the business of milkman in Durweston-street, by the Edgware-road; I have been twice to the Scotch Arms in a small court by the Strand, I went to the shoemakers' club, I went with a friend of the name of Clark, a tailor; I cannot state what was the subject of conversation, it was seven or eight months ago. Ionly know the prisoners Davidson and Wilson, and had conversation with them, I had seen Davidson it might be a week or fortnight before; I had never been at Fox-court; I knew nothing of this particular affair till Wilson told me; the cream is a great profit to me, I might gain two or three shillings by that order, it was for a family I was to get the cream; they lived at No. 6, Princes-street, Cavendish-square, I have served them for three or four years, I do not know their names, I have had orders for cream repeatedly from them, our people brought home the order, I did not go to the house, my wife or sister went to tell them it could not be got; I do not serve them myself nor ever did; my wife serves them I believe; I have been at the house many times, I have seen maid servants there, I cannot say when I was last there; I serve them daily; I do not know what quantity of cream was or, dered for that night; we get a shilling profit upon a pint, and more than a quart was ordered; I do not know the name of any servant in the house; it was the first time I met Wilson that he said I had no occasion to be afraid, for

he was in the room five minutes, when he called me to the outside of the door; Brunt did not go out with us; he said great events are at hand"-here again, gentlemen, you will attend to what follows-"great events are at hand; the people every where are anxious for a change; he had been, he said, promised support by many men, who had deceived him; but now he had got men that would stand by him; he asked me whether I had any arms; I said no; he said no man should be without arms, every one who belonged to him had arms; some a sabre, some a pistol, some a pike, and that I might buy a pistol for four or five shillings. I said that I had no money to buy a pistol; he said that he would see what he could do; there was no other conversation at this time; I returned into the room; Brunt and Thistlewood went away together. Two or three days after this, Brunt called on me by himself; he said he was in a hurry, and nothing particular passed; on the 22nd of February, Brunt called again, in company with Tidd, about two or three o'clock; I said I thought I had lost you; he said the king's death had made an alteration in their plans; I asked what plans; he said there would be a meeting on the following evening at Tyburn-turnpike, where I should know all the particulars; and then he turned round to Tidd and asked, should he give me the word? and Tidd said yes, he supposed there was no danger; and then he told me that if I saw any people about, I was to say to them b, u, t, and if they were friends, they would answer t, o, n, making the word button; he said he would call the next morning and tell me further particulars; they then went away. On the following day, Wednesday, Brunt called on me between four and five o'clock; he called me down stairs, and told me that he wanted me to go with him; I told him that I could not then, for that I had some work to finish; he asked me when it would be done; I told him not before six; he told me then I must go to Tidd's house, and he told me where Tidd lived, in Hole-in-the-wall passage, Brook's market; he went away, and at half-past six I went to Tidd's; I found him at home; he said he was waiting for some more men, and they had not come; and he said he could not wait later than seven o'clock; at seven o'clock Tidd went to a box in the corner of the room, and took out a pistol, which he put into a belt round his body under a great coat, and then he took about six or eight heads of pikes, in a piece of brown paper, in his hand, and a staff four feet long which had a hole to receive a pike-head; he went down stairs into Holborn, and I along with him, and we went up Holborn, and going up Oxford-street, I asked him what we were going about? he said I should know when I got there; was it, I asked, to the House of Commons we were going; he said no, there were too many soldiers about there? he then told me we were going to Grosvenor-square; I asked who lived

there; he said there was to be a cabinet dinner there that evening; nothing more passed, and he then took me to Cato-street, through the gateway on the right hand into a stable; two people were standing under the gateway: be spoke to them; I went into the stable, there were three or four men there, and a light; he asked whether Mr. Thistlewood was up stairs, they told him he was; we went up stairs; there were one or two or three and twenty people, as near as I can tell, of whom Thistlewood was one; and on a bench there were a great many swords and pistols; Tidd went up stairs, and when up stairs a man in a great coat spoke of the impropriety of going with so small a party to lord Harrowby's. Thistlewood said it was quite sufficient, for if lord Harrowby had sixteen servants, fourteen of our men would be quite enough to go into the room. The man then said, what shall we do when we come out of the room, as there would be people in the street, who might prevent our escape; to which Thistlewood answered, this is the smallest body, there is another and a larger body, the largest is already away. Davidson then told the man not to throw cold water upon their proceedings, for if he was afraid of his life, they could do without him, and he might go. Brunt then said, sooner than leave the business, he would go into the room alone and blow them all up; he said you know we have got that which can do it, or to that effect; the man then said he did not like going with so small a number, but as they were all for it, he would not be against it; he then proposed that they should put themselves under the orders of Thistlewood; when Thistlewood said every one engaged in the business would have the same honour with himself; and he then proposed that the fourteen men to go into the room should volunteer from among the persons that were in the room; a few minutes afterwards, twelve or thirteen out of the fourteen ranged themselves accordingly on the other side of the room; one (Tidd) came first and spoke to me, on which Thistlewood put him back, and said, you all know your places; I do not recollect any thing particular passing after that until the officers came into the room, which was about five minutes." This brings us to that part of the transaction, which introduces the police officers first into the stable, and afterwards up into the loft. He says, "there seemed first to be two or three, they got up stairs before those in the room knew it; they told them in the room that they were officers, and called upon them to surrender, telling them that there was a guard of soldiers below; I was taken into custody in the room and I have been in confinement ever since."

On cross-examination, he says, "fear led me there; Brunt at my house said, that every man who engaged in it and did not come forward, should be destroyed; I was foolish, but I cannot charge myself with any crime; I was afraid there was something bad; I did not know why I suspected they were going to the

House of Commons. When he told me it was to a cabinet dinner, I asked no further questions, because I was certain what it was; I could not see that they could be going for any thing but to destroy the persons so assembled at dinner; I had not been at their private meetings; I saw Thistlewood at Ford's about a week before the Finsbury meeting, and this was after the Manchester meeting; and I went to Tidd's because I was afraid to express reluctance to go with them. When I found what they were about in the room, my intention was to get away from them, when Thistlewood or somebody told the man in the brown coat, that if he was afraid to join them, he might go away, I wished he had said so to me; I joined them from fear, and proceeded from fear. I did not know what their proceedings were at first; I admit that I certainly acted very foolishly."

This last witness, I have already told you, undoubtedly stands in the situation of an accomplice, about him therefore I say no more at present.

The witness who is now called is Thomas Monument. He says, "the last witness, John Monument, is my brother." Gentlemen you will attend to this; Thomas Monument is not one of the persons charged with this conspiracy, and therefore upon this part of the case, taking his brother as an accomplice, the point for your consideration will be, how far he is confirmed by this witness, whose testimony not being attacked may be assumed to be true. He says, "John Monument, the last witness, is my brother; I lived with him; Thistlewood called upon him at his lodgings, in company with Brunt; they remained in the room some time, I suppose ten minutes; and then Thistlewood asked my brother if he could speak to him; they went out-side the door." This witness therefore, not an accomplice, confirms the story told by his brother, who is, in all the particulars stated by John as to Thistlewood's coming there, calling his brother out to speak to him, of course about something that could not be disclosed before Thomas. "Brunt called upon my brother on Tuesday the 22nd of February, and brought a man of the name of Tidd with him, when they came into the room, my brother said, Brunt, I thought I had lost you; then something was said concerning the king's death; Brunt said, the king's death had made some alteration in their plans; my brother said, what plans? he said, they had different objects in view. Then Brunt said, suppose we give them an outline of the plan; and then Brunt said, that we were to meet up at Tyburn-turnpike on the following evening at six o'clock: he then gave the pass word;" and he repeats the pass word as other witnesses have done; "the next day, about five o'clock in the evening, Brunt came and asked my brother if he was ready to go; he could not go just then, for he had to finish some work, and he told him to call on Tidd and he would take him; my brother then went away

at near seven o'clock, and I never saw him after this till I saw him in custody." You will judge for yourselves on this part of the case, how far the testimony of Monument the accomplice engaged in the conspiracy, is or is not confirmed in all its particulars by the testimony of his brother who speaks to these facts, who never went near Cato-street, and who is in no way connected with these transactions.

George Caylock is the next witness, who says, "I live at No. 2, Cato-street; on the 23rd of February I saw Harrison, one of the prisoners at the bar, in Cato-street; he was going into the stable; I asked him how he did and what he was going there for? He said he had taken two chambers and was going to clean them up."

The next witness is the first of the police officers who went to Cato-street, George Thomas Joseph Ruthven. He went to the spot about six o'clock, and he entered the stable at about half-past eight. "On going in, I observed a man walking backwards and forwards with a gun on his shoulder; I did not observe him particularly; there were others with me; I said to them, secure that man, and I went up stairs first myself; next came Ellis, and then Smithers, and Gibbs as I have been since told, but I did not see him. On getting into the loft, I observed several men standing round a carpenter's bench; there were about twentyfour or twenty-five round the bench. I heard a clattering of arms, and saw some persons apparently sorting them. I said, We are officers; seize their arms. Thistlewood looked up, caught up a sword, and retired, with three or four others, into a little room to the right of the bench; two or three men went also into the back apartment. I know Thistlewood well; have known him from the time of the state trials, two or three years ago. Smithers then ap peared on my right hand, he approached the door where Thistlewood had retired, on which Thistlewood stabbed him with a sword; he had been fencing with the sword before, and a pistol was fired almost instantly, on which the lights were put out. I then heard a voice, kill the b-rs! throw them down stairs. On this there was a rush towards the staircase; I joined in it, and got down stairs; there was no light in the stable when I got down. I got into John-street, and there I met the soldiers. I returned to the stable, and I saw Tidd coming out of the door; I called to somebody following me to lay hold of him; and immediately upon that he lifted his arm, and I saw a pistol; I pulled him on me, and we fell upon a dungheap; the soldiers came up, and serjeant Legg extricated me, and I took Tidd to the Horse and Groom. I searched him; I found two ball-cartridges in his breeches pocket, and a belt round his waist. Bradburn was brought in while I was there; I searched him, and I found six ball-cartridges and three loose balls, and round his waist was a string, five or six times round, that would have answered the