Did you take any thing from him?—I took a knife and a sword. What kind of knife was it you took from him ?-A butcher's knife. Was there any thing twisted round the handle? -Wax-end tied round it. What kind of sword?-A sword about three feet long, with a brass handle, and a piece of string tied round it. After this what happened to you?-I received a blow, and was knocked down, and received a stab in my side. Lord Chief Justice Dallas.-You did not know the man. Mr. Solicitor General.-No, but he says he was a man in point of size like the prisoner. Mr. Justice Richardson.-And standing in a stall at the foot of the ladder? Witness. In the further stall. Mr. Solicitor General.-You say you were knocked down, and had a stab in your side; after you recovered did you find that man gone?—Yes. Mr. Solicitor General.-I shall not ask the witness as to the rest, I only ask as to that which affects the prisoner at the bar; did you search Wilson?-Yes, I searched Wilson. What did Wilson say?—He said nothing particular. You still pursued him ?—Yes. And between you he was taken?—Yes. After you had taken him, what conversation passed between you?-I said to him, you rascal, why did you fire at me, a man you had never seen before? he said, to kill you, and I wish I had done it. Did he say any thing more?-He repeated it, both to my partner and to the soldiers, he told one of the soldiers so afterwards. William Lee sworn.-Examined by Are you one of the Bow-street patrol?— Yes. Did you go to the public house, the Horse and Groom, in the evening, before the officers went to the stable?-Yes. Did you observe any persons in the Horse and Groom, who were afterwards taken ?—No, I did not. Did you see Cooper and Gilchrist there?— I saw them go in there. Were they taken that night among the persons there?--They were. And taken to Bow-street?—Yes. Lieutenant Frederick Fitzclarence, sworn.— Examined by Mr. Bolland. I believe you are a lieutenant in his majesty's Coldstream regiment of guards? — I am. Were you, on the 23rd of February, applied William Charles Brooks sworn.-Examined by to by the Magistrates of Bow-street, to go to Cato-street?-I was. Mr. Solicitor General. What did you perceive in John-street? -I saw the prisoner Ings running up the street, and when I crossed the street, there was another of my partners with a cutlass, and I had a pistol, and when I got on the road, he fired at me. Fired at whom?-He fired at me, he told me he would shoot me. Did you take a picquet with you?—I did.. What time did you arrive there?-A few minutes after eight. What time was it that you entered the stable?-I should think three or four minutes after eight. What did you observe?-The first thing I saw, going under the gateway leading into the street, was a police officer, who cried out "soldiers! soldiers! stable door! stable door!" I went on and met two persons coming out of the door-way; one of whom presented a pistol at me, I am not sure that it was a pistol, but time a sword made a cut at me, which I parhe presented something at me, at the same ried and seeing the body of soldiers coming Did the ball strike you?-Yes, I snatched at the pistol, and the powder scorched my hand, the ball went through the wrist of my great coat, through the collar of that coat, and through the shoulder of my waistcoat, it bruis-up, he ran into the stable; I followed him, and ed my shoulder about the space of half-a-crown, and went out at the back I believe. What was the effect of that?-It staggered me to the right. Did he run on ?—No, he came into the road to avoid my partner, I suppose, and ran into the Edgware-road, and flung the pistol away. Was there a watchman there?-A little further on there was. What was his name?-Moay. Did he take him?-He laid hold of him just as I did. Did you ever lose sight of him?-No, I was not further from him than I am to that gentleman [a yard or two]. against a man, who surrendered himself saying, the moment I got into the stable, I ran up him over to the picquet, and went forward "do not kill me, and I will tell you all;" I gave into the stable, where I went up into one of the stalls, and took another man out, whom I delivered over to the picquet, also; I then led my men up the steps into the loft. Lord Chief Justice Dallas.-There was only room for one at a time?-No. You headed your men?-Yes; the first thing I trod over was the leg of poor Smithers, and in ascending the steps, I saw three, or four, or five persons in the room; the light afterwards went out. Did you see any arms in the loft?—A large quantity. What description of arms?-One blunderbuss, or more, swords, pistols, pikes. Were any arms picked up in the stable below? Yes, there were. They were delivered over by your directions to the soldiers?-Yes, the soldiers took them away. Serjeant William Legg sworn.-Examined by I believe you are a serjeant in the second Did you go along with the party that was commanded by lieutenant Fitzclarence in Cato-street?-Yes, any In consequence of intimation that you had, did you direct your party to advance quicker than they had, in double quick time? -Yes, in double quick time. Did you get to the gateway which is near a public house, on the left-hand side of the street?--Yes. Just before then had you heard the report of pistols?—Yes. Did you perceive a man standing with his back against the wall, by the stable in Catostreet?-Yes. Had he a pistol in his hand?-Yes. Did it go off or was it turned away?-It was turned away by my pike. Did the pistol go off?-I then seized the pistol with my left hand, and a scuffle ensued between the prisoner and me Who was the prisoner ?-Tidd. Did the pistol go off?-Yes, after some time. In whose hand?-In both hands: I had hold of the trigger at the time it went off. I believe it tore your coat ?-Yes, it did. I believe you afterwards delivered Tidd to the police?--Yes. Have you got the pistol still?—Yes, the pistol is here. Mr. Gurney. It will be produced among the other things. Mr. Littledale.-What other prisoner did you take?-I took no other: after going up, in the loft I saw three others who had surrendered. Whom did you see in the loft?-Cooper, Monument, and Gilchrist, Samuel Hercules Taunton sworn.-Examined by Mr. Solicitor General. I believe you belong to the public office at Bow-street ?--Yes, I do. Did you on Thursday morning, the 24th of February, go to Brunt's lodgings?--I did. Did you see Brunt there?-I did, and apprehended him. Did you search the apartments which are occupied by him?—I did, but found nothing in the front room. Did you search the apartments that were occupied by him?—I did. There you found nothing?-Nothing. go into the back room?-I did. What did you find in the back room ?-Twe rush baskets. Were they both done up? - Both packed up, one tied up in an apron. What colour, blue?-Blue. Did you ask Brunt about those baskets?-I did. What did you ask him?-When I went into the room there was nothing in the room but two baskets and a pike handle, Did you ask Brunt any thing about those baskets?-I did. What did you ask him?-He said he knew nothing of them. Were the baskets present at the time you baskets out into the other room. asked him that question?-I brought the You asked him what was in the baskets?Yes. And he said he knew nothing about them? -He knew nothing about them. Did you afterwards open the baskets?—Yes, I did. When you opened the baskets what did you tar, and other ingredients in separate papers. find in them?-Nine papers of rope-yarn, and Yes, I think they were; I tried some in the Were they calculated easily to take fire?→→ fire, and it burnt. baskets ?-There were some steel filings. Besides this, what else did you find in the Were there any hand-grenades?—Yes, there were. How many?-Ten, I think grenades. What else were there?-Three papers of rope-yarn, and other ingredients. Having that paper in your hand, read what contained in the other?-Nine papers of ropewas contained in one basket, and what was filings, in one basket; in the second basket yarn, and tar and other ingredients, some steel yarn, tar, and other ingredients, two bags of there were four grenades, three papers of ropepowder, one pound each. What kind of bags were these?--White flannel bags. About six inches long?-About six inches long, or rather longer. And contained gunpowder?-Yes. Were there any flannel bags that had no powder in them?-Five flannel bags empty. Of the same form?-Of the same sort. powder, one leather bag containing sixty-three Any thing else?-One small paper of balls. gun Leaden balls, bullets?-Bullets; that is the whole that was contained in the second basket. Did you find any thing else in the room?— One iron pot. boiled in it?-Yes, very recently; and one Did it appear that that iron pot had had tar pike handle I found in the same room. Was there a ferrule at the end with a socket? Yes, there was. A rough stick? Yes. Was that all that you found at the lodgings at Brunt's?-That was all. Did you afterwards go to Hole-in-the-wall passage to Tidd's?—Yes, I did. How soon afterwards?-It might be three quarters of an hour, or an hour after; it was about nine o'clock in the morning I was at Tidd's. Did you search these lodgings?--I did. What did you find there, have you got a list of them?-Yes. Read them in order?-Four hundred and thirty-four balls, in a haversack. One hundred and seventy-one ball cartridges, Loose were they?-Loose; Sixty-nine.ball cartridges without powder; a brown paper parcel, with three pounds of gun-powder; in a brown paper, there was ten grenades: eleven bags of gun-powder, one pound each. Were the bags constructed in the same way as the flannel bags that you found at Brunt's? -Yes, the very same. About six inches long?-Rather longer. Yes. Any bags of the same description empty?— Ten flannel bags empty; a small linen bag with powder, a powder-flask with some gunpowder in it; sixty eight balls. By that you mean bullets, I suppose?—Yes. Four flints, and twenty-seven pike-handles. Were the pike-handles of the same description as you have already mentioned ?-The very same. Rough sticks, four or five feet long?-Yes. With sockets at the end for a pike?—Yes. Did you find any box there?-I found a box containing nine hundred and sixty-five ballcartridges. Was that all that you found at Tidd's?- Samuel Hercules Taunton cross-examined by There has been a person named Palin mentioned in the course of this cause; have you made any search after him?—Yes, we have. There is a large reward of 500l. for apprebending him?-Two hundred pounds reward. Palin and Cook; have you searched after them too? Mr. Solicitor General.-The reward was to apprehend him for the part he took in this business?—Yes, it was. Daniel Bishop called. Mr. Gurney. It is necessary now to produce the things found at Tidd's, and also at Brunt's, and in Cato-street. Mr. Curwood.-It is candle light, it will do in the morning. Lord Chief Justice Dallas. Have you no other witness? dence will be very short; we will produce Mr. Gurney.-Only one or two; their evithem in the morning. Lord Chief Justice Dallas.-Gentlemen, it is quite impossible to conclude to-night; we must now adjourn to nine to-morrow morning. [Adjourned to to-morrow morning, nine o'clock.] SATURDAY, 22nd APRIL, 1820. I James Ings was set to the bar; and John Daniel Bishop sworn.-Examined by Did you apprehend Arthur Thistlewood?- At what time of the day?-Between ten and eleven in the forenoon. Where did you find him?—At No. 8, White→ street, Little Moorfields. Was that his own residence, or the house of another person?--The apartments of a Mrs. Harris. I believe he lived in Stanhope-street, Claremarket? He did. Did you find him up, or in bed?-In bed. With any part of his clothes on? - His breeches and stockings. Upon your opening the door of the room in which he was in bed, what took place ?-He just held up his head. From under what ?-From under the bedclothes. I had got a pistol in one hand, and a Mr. Solicitor General.-Have you personally staff in the other, I immediately threw myself searched after them ?-Not I. I have not. Mr. Adolphus-Has search been made after them by the officers?--I do not know what the magistrates might have ordered. Samuel Hercules Taunton re-examined by A reward was offered for Palin ?—Yes. on the bed upon him; I said, "Mr. Thistlewood, my name is Bishop, a Bow-street officer, I have a warrant against you." And he surrendered?-He said, “I shall make no resistance." Were his coat and waistcoat by the bedside? They were. Did you find any thing in the pocket of the found three leaden balls, a ball-cartridge, a waistcoat? In the pocket of the waistcoat I blank cartridge, and two flints, and a small Mr. Curwood. He has absconded, that is all. silk sash. You took him into custody, and took him to Bow-street?—I did. Daniel Bishop cross-examined by Mr. Adolphus. How did you find out where he was?-It was in consequence of some information that was handed to me and my brother officers. Information that he was not at his own house but was there?—Yes. Was that information from your brother officers? No, it was not. Was it from a Mr. Edwards?—No. Mr. Gurney.—I should have objected to that question. Lord Chief Justice Dallas.-That is not a proper question. Witness. I do not know a person of that name. Mr. Adolphus.-I should not have asked it if I had considered it irregular; but the moment your lordship gives that intimation, I stop. Lord Chief Justice Dallas.-If these questions are to be asked it will break down all rules. Mr. Adolphus.-I submit, my lord, to the intimation of your lordship's opinion. George Thomas Joseph Ruthven called again. Examined by Mr. Gurney. Are there now placed upon the table the things which were taken in Cato-street.-Yes. You gave us an enumeration yesterday of thirty-eight ball cartridges, firelock and bayonet, one powder flask, three pistols, and one sword, with six bayonet spikes, and cloth belt, one blunderbuss, pistol, fourteen bayonet spikes, and three pointed files, one bayonet, one bayonet spike, and one sword scabbard, one carbine and bayonet, two swords, one bullet, ten hand-grenades; I do not see them? -Here they are [in a bag]. We must have them on the table. [they were emptied out.] There is one hand-grenade much larger than the rest; that is what you call the large handgrenade?—Yes. Show the jury the fuse to it? [it was shown to the jury. There are some iron spikes tucked in. Hand one of the small hand-grenades to the jury with a fuse? [it was handed to the jury.] Are there any fire balls there? [one was shown to the jury—I will give you an account gentlemen, by another witness, of the composition of these, I observe here are some bayonets with screws at the end, and some sharpened files with screws at the end ?-There are [they were shown to thejury.]. Produce the pike staves? [they were produced.] Take one of the pike staves from the rest, and show the adaptation of it, [the witness screwed in one of the pike heads]. They are all made to receive a screw ?-Yes. Have they a ferrule at the top?—They have. Will you produce the belt and the knifecase found upon the prisoner? [they were proand the belt to the jury: you observe, gentleduced.] Hand that knife with the knife-case men, the knife-case and the belt are of the same cloth. Ings. The knife was not found upon me, my lord. Mr. Gurney.-You observe the handle of the knife, gentlemen, is bound round with wax-end? it was shown to the jury.]—Where are the two haversacks that were found upon the prisoner? [they were handed to the jury. Show the jury the brass-barrelled blunderbuss, [it was shown to the jury.]-Which were the pike staves found in Cato-street?--The bundle have just shown. John Hector Morison called again.- In whose service are you?- Mr. Henry Underwood's, in Drury-lane. You have spoken to a sword having been brought you by the prisoner to sharpen?— Yes. Is that one of the two swords which the prisoner brought to you?-Yes, this is the first. What were the instructions you had particularly respecting sharpening that sword?To grind and set it from the heel to the point, and to sharpen the point particularly on both sides, as sharp as a needle, he said. And it is sharp?—Yes; since I ground it, it appears to have been rubbed upon a stone to help the keenness of the edge. Samuel Hercules Taunton called again.- Have you there the things which you found at Brunt's room?-I have. Produce them distinctly ?—This basket coningredients. tains nine papers of rope-yarn, tar, and other A Juryman.-They appear to be the same kind of things; they are what are called illumination balls. Witness.-There are also some steel filings. Mr. Gurney.-Now produce to us the things out of the basket covered with the blue apron? These are flannel bags full of gunpowder; there are also some empty [producing them]. A Juryman. bags. There is. [One of the bags was opened, - There is powder in those and the contents shown to the jury]. Mr. Gurney. The bags contain one pound each, I believe?—Yes. Are there four hand-grenades ?-There are [they were handed to the jury]. A Juryman.-There appears to be nails in all directions. Mr. Gurney. We will call a witness who will give an account of their contents. Will you produce the pike-handle which was found there? [it was produced.] Is that filed at the end so as to receive a pike?—Yes, and it has a ferrule on. You spoke of an iron pot, that had an appearance of melted tar. [it was produced.] Is there tar in the bottom ?-There is. You found also sixty-three bullets?—I did; here they are. [producing them]. They are in a leathern bag or pouch? They are. Produce the things which you found at Tidd's lodgings: those were found the same morning, the Thursday morning?—Yes. You stated that in a haversack there were 434 balls; 171 ball cartridges, and 69 without powder. [the witness produced the same.] There were three pounds of gunpowder ?-There were. [producing them]. You have opened that paper?-I have, and it contains gunpowder. Mr. Gurney. It shall be opened for your inspection, if you wish it, gentlemen. Foreman of the Jury. - No, it is not necessary. Mr. Gurney. Produce the coarse_canvass cloth, and the grenades you found in it; eleven bags of gunpowder of a pound each; ten empty bags; a small bag with a powder flask with some powder?-Yes. Those are flannel bags of the same description as the other ?-Yes, they are. The full and the empty are all of the same description?-They are. You found there, also, twenty-seven pikehandles?-I did. Are they of the same description as the others? They are. Mr. Gurney. You observe, gentlemen, they are all ferruled, and filed to receive pikes? -They were all of them ferruled, but with the greenness of the wood some of the ferrules have since dropped off. Produce the box you found with the ball cartridges [it was produced]. There are 965 ball cartridges in that box, are there ?- There are. They are in parcels of how many?—In parcels of five. George Thomas Joseph Ruthven, called again. -Examined by Mr. Gurney. There is one question I omitted to ask you: were those fire arms found at Cato-street, loaded? They were most of them: there were one or two of them fired off. Most of them you found loaded ?—Yes. They were drawn last Monday?—Yes. Lord Chief Justice Dallas.-Ask him whether those which were not loaded, appeared to have been recently fired off. Mr. Gurney. Did those which were not loaded appear to have been recently discharged? I did not examine that. Were those that were loaded, loaded with ball? They were. Serjeant Edward Hanson sworn.-Examined by Mr. Gurney. I believe you are a serjeant in the Royalartillery ?—Yes. what do they appear to be composed of?Have the goodness to look at those fire-balls, They are oakum, tar, and rosin. If they were set on fire, and thrown into any buildings, are they well calculated to produce conflagration?—Yes, they would set wood on fire. If they were thrown through a window on to a floor, would they be likely to set a house on fire-There is not a doubt of it. If thrown into a hay-loft, still more likely? -Oh yes. How long do you suppose they would burn? -This is a very small one; I have seen much larger than this, among those before the court. How long would they burn?-They would burn three or four minutes. Look at these flannel bags with gunpowder? -That is a flannel cartridge, for a six-pounder. That is the way in which powder is made up, for the purpose of loading cannon ?—Yes, it is; only yours is a different kind of flannel, it is twilled. That will answer the purpose, though not so neatly?-Oh yes, perfectly. Take one of the hand-grenades; you have examined two of them before?—Yes, I have. Take that to pieces, and show us of what it is composed it was taken to pieces in the presence of the Jury]. The other prisoners may retire now, we shall have no occasion for their being present. Lord Chief Justice Dallas.-You may now remove the other prisoners from the bar. [They were removed accordingly.] Mr. Gurney. Is that exterior tight binding material to give force to the powder when it explodes?—Yes, very material, it would not have half the effect if it were not tight. Have you come to any thing different ?Yes, here is a bandage of woollen cloth of bombazine. Is that cemented on ?—Yes, very fast. What do you find that immediately to inclose?-Four nails. Do you mean nails used to rivet the tire of cart wheels on?-Yes [it was handed to the Jury]. Supposing you found inside that a tin case containing powder, which is lit by means of that fuse; would that explode and disperse those nails about like so many shot?-Certainly it would. The binding you say by the rope-yarn would give greater effect to the explosion?-Yes, it would be a larger explosion; the faster it is tied, the more strong that makes the explosion. A Juryman (Mr. Young).-Could any body manufacture a thing of that kind, unless he is |