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difficulty wbich is worthy of you, and if you suc. ceed in any part of it, you do service. · "The other argument relies on the times, and I acknowledge they are an objection to the Bill at present, but none against the laying the founda. tion now of a measure to take place on the restoration of public peace; it may be an inducement to that peace, it cannot be an incentive to the contrary; it is giving Government the full force of reward and punishment; and I apprehend, if no step whatsoever was taken, and no debate introduced at present, nothing would be done in future. I shall therefore trouble you with a motion now, and next Session with a Bill on that subject."
He then moved the following resolution :
66 That, if it shall appear, at the commencement of the next Session of Parliament, that public tranquillity has been restored in those parts of the Kingdom that have been lately disturbed, and due obedience paid to the laws, this House will take into consideration the subject of Tithes, and endeavour to form some plan for the honorable support of the clergy, and the ease of the people.”
• To the preceding speech Mr. Secretary ORDE replied in the following words :--as this short speech contains all the leading objections of Mr. Grattan's opponents, we shall give it insers tion, as well for the purpose of exhibiting the sophistry which opposed itself to every honest and benevolent effort then made by the friends of Ireland, as to give to the reader an oppor: tunity of fully estimating the strength and triumph of Mr. Grattan, when called on to refute them.. :
6 Sir, I have listened with anxiety and con cern to the speech of the right honorable. gen. tleman, and I am sorry to say that the motion with which he concludes increases that anxiety and concern. I did intend, even while he was speaking, to take the liberty to remind him, that under the present circumstances of the country, it was impossible in any degree to hold out an expectation that the House would enter upon the subject.
"I did lope, when the right bonorable gentleman admitted that the distresses of the poor people of the South arose from other causes than Tithes, from excessive rent, and insufficient wages, he would put an end to the conversation. I did think that having said, as the rent increased
that the Tithe ought to be diminished, he would have perceived that such a principle would go to the utter extinction of Tithes whenever the rent rose to a certain height; and I do now declare, that if we look at the benefit of the poor through such a medium as this, I must give my decided opposition to it; for nothing that I have heard shall induce me, at this time, and under the present circumstances of the country, to give an opinion that the subject ought ever to be discussed ; and setting aside all other reasons, I will not hold out any expectation to people in their situation.
-- " The right honorable gentleman bas said he will again bring forward this subject to the notice of Parliament. Sir, there is no member more capable of giving consequence to any subject, or who would be listened to with more attention by this House, than the right honorable gentleman; but I entreat the House, again and again, that they will suffer the right honorable gentleman to retain his intention in his own breast, and give it no encouragement. For my own part, if I am now forced to pass my judgment on this proposition, I shall in the most decided manner say no, not only with respect to the present moment, but with respect to futurity'; for, Sir, should we agree to the motion, we should capitulate with insur. rection, and offer á reward for that obedience to the laws, on which we have a right to insist.
“ The right honorable gentleman says that other parts of the country, as well as the South, complain of grievance, but that they do not at this moment press for attention. Sir, they are very wise in this, their conduct is extremely commendable, and I would advise them strongly to consider the ill consequences that even a regard to them might be attended with ; that might be attributed more to a concession to tumult, than to a just consideration of their claims. This House will always be ready to listen to the com plaints of the people, when offered in a constitu: tional manner. Nothing has reached us in that
way-no petition to make us acquainted with griev. s os ances preceded the improper attempt to redress
them by force. I do not mean to call for petitions, for if any were offered during the continuance of disturbances, they ought not to be listened to. If, indeed, we were to form a judgment of the reality of their distresses by their mode of proceeding, we should rather be disposed to give them little credit; because from the beginning they seemed to shun all proper means of soliciting attention to their distresses, they can therefore at present appear to us in no other light than as pretences for outrage.
..." Sir, I do hope and earnestly request that the right honorable gentleman will withdraw his proposition, otherwise I must give it a decided negative. " .
* Mr. GRATTAN then rose, and addressed the Speaker: 6-164 Sir, the subject has been agitated in such a variety of different ways, and opposed by, so many gentlemen, that even at this late hour of the night, I feel myself under the necessity of making some observation; and at the same time I assure the House, that nothing but a conviction of the propriety of the motion could make me resist the wishes of so many gentlemen, whom personally I love and respect, but I would appear a very light man, should I, by withdrawing the motion, give any ground to suppose, that I have taken up the subject without the most mature consideration, or that I would hazard such a motion without duly considering its consequences. This is not the case; and therefore it is not the smallness of the minority in which I might be found that would induce me to relinquish a mea. sare arising from justice, mercy, and true policy. The only effect a defeat on the present occasion