Q. Did you know why the gun was fired? Q. From Pentridge, where did you march to? Q. Had the prisoner any arms? A. Yes. Q. What had he? A. A large staff, with a spike at the end of it. Q. Such an one as this? A. Yes. Q. Where about did old Ludlam walk? A. He was walking in the rear. Q. In your way to Butterley did you observe him doing any thing? A. He was very forward in pushing the men along. A. Yes. Q. When you came to Butterley, were you of the party that went round by the works? A. Yes, I went round to Butterley? Q. Were you halted at Butterley? A. Yes. Q. Do you remember seeing Mr. Goodwin? A. Yes. Q, Do you remember any thing being said by Mr. Goodwin? A. Yes. Q. Who was the leader of the party? A. William Turner and a man called the Nottingham captain. Q. Did you hear either William Turner or the Nottingham captain say any thing to Mr. Goodwin? A. Yes. Q. Which of them? A. The Nottingham captaiu. Mr. Justice Abbott. Is it necessary to repeat this? Mr. Solicitor General. Only as introductory to another fact, my Lord; I will take it short; What did he say? A. Mr. Goodwin asked him what he wanted, and he said we want your men. Q. Mr. Goodwin made some answer to that? Q. What became of you? A. I went into Mr. Goodwin's office. Q. How did you get into Mr. Goodwin's office? A. I saw the door open while the party halted, and I walked in. Q. You made your escape from them? A. Yes. Q. And did not join them again? A. No. Cross-examined by Mr. Denman. Q. Did you carry any arms? A. No. Q. None the whole way? A. No. Q. The captain and Turner were the active people? Q. At the works it was that the captain came and made that demand of Mr. Goodwin? A. Yes. Q. Was that the first you heard of the captain? A. No. Q. You heard of him long before that? A. Yes. Q. How did he walk, in front of the whole, or how? A. Sometimes in front, and sometimes in other places. Q. As you had no arms, were you in the ranks? A. Yes. Q. Were you near the front? A. I was near the rear. Q. Who was your right hand or left hand man? Mr. Justice Abbott. Right hand or left hand? Q. He was against you? A. Yes, my Lord. Mr. George Goodwin sworn. Examined by Mr. Serjeant Vaughan. Q. I believe you were managing clerk of Messrs. Jessop's iron works at Butterley? A. Yes. Q. On the 8th or 9th of June special constables were sworn in at the works; those works? A. They were. Mr. Justice Abbott. On the 7th was not it? Mr. Serjeant Vaughan. On the evening of the 9th did you make any observations or see any thing? A. Yes; during the course of the 9th, at the time we were on duty with the constables, we heard guns fired. Q. At what time of the night might it be? A. I think the first I heard was about twelve o'clock, or a little before. Q. How long did that continue? A. The guns, till day-light I think; 1 heard three or four guns and horns blowing. Q, At what time did you dismiss your constables, supposing things to be more quiet? A. The greater part a little before three o'clock in the morning of the Tuesday. Q. After you had dismissed your men, did you observe any body in particular coming by your premises? A. Yes; Mr. Jessop and myself came down with a party of men, those that were armed with pikes, to the office; it was then a little after three o'clock, perhaps a quarter; we observed first a man riding past on horseback, George Weightman, riding very quick past. Q. Did you know George Weightman? A. No, he did not; he merely looked and went on. Q. How soon after that did you observe any other person? A. Almost immediately; in a very few minutes. Q. What number of persons? A. About one hundred. Q. In what state; how were they moving? A. They were marching on the road from Pentridge in regular military order. Q. Do you mean in rank? A. Yes, two abreast. Q. Had they any arms or weapons with them? A. They were armed, the greater part with guns, that is, some with guns, many with spears and pikes, and a few that had no arms. Q Did they stop at your works as they approached them? A, They did; they marched up to the door of the iron works, and there stopped and halted. Q. Upon their halting did you speak to any of them? A. I did; I spoke to the captain at the head of them, and asked him what he wanted, what was his object there. Q. Whom do you mean by the captain? A. Brandreth. Q. What answer did you receive from him? A. "We want your men." I told him they should not have any of them; that they were too many already, excepting they were going for a better purpose. Q. Did you recognize amongst them any persons whom you knew? A. I did. Q. Mention the name or names of any you recognized? A. Isaac Ludlam the elder. Q. The prisoner at the bar. A. Yes. Q. What was he doing, how was he placed with reference to the men? A. He was in the front rank as it was then, what would have been the rear when they were marching. Q. In what part of it? A. Near the right flank near the office. Q. Upon seeing him him, did you say any thing to him? A. I did; I said, "good God, Isaac, what are you doing here, upon such an errand as this?" I urged him to leave them. Q. What did you say ? A. I told him he had got a halter about his neck, and he would be hanged if he did not leave them; I said. go home," Q. Upon your saying that, did he make any reply, or did you do any thing to him? A. I took him by the shoulders and turned him with his face towards the office, and pushed him. Q. For what purpose? A. That he might make his escape into the office. Q. Would he have had an opportunity of getting into the office, if he had had a desire of so doing? A. Certainly, for I was beside him in the ranks; he had the same opportunity as I had. Q. Did he make any observation to you upon your saying that? A. Yes, he said "I cannot go back, I am as bad as I can be ; I must go on." Q. Was that all that passed between you two? A. Yes, most of it. Q. Had you any conversation with any other person there? A. Yes; with James Taylor; I spoke nearly to the same effect to him. Q. Did anybody go into the office? A. Three. Q. Three of them escaped from the ranks? A. Three of them, during the time Ludlam and I were talking, escaped into the office. Q. Do you remember a man of the name of Booth? A. Yes; he was one of them, and there were two others. |