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(1046 of commission when sir Robert was. So that: L. C. J. Did Mrs. Celier tell you of any pohow she could be acting for the king and pish priests or Jesuits coming hither from beagainst the king at the same time, I do not yond the seas? understand.
Gudbury. Upon the going over of one Clay, I L. C. J. Mr. Gadbury, you are a man of think she did say she heard there were some learning, pray will you give your testimony of more coming over. the things that you know iu relation to Mrs. L. C. J. What to do? Cellier.
Gadbury. God knows what. Gudbury. Mrs. Cellier was not committed L. C. J. Did she speak of any Plot or contrivupon my accusation; therefore, I hoped she ance to kill the king. miyht have been tried without my testimony: Gudbury. No, she was always an enemy to But when I was in danger of my life, when I Plots, or else I would not have kept her como lay in the Gate-house, Mrs. Cellier was re- pany. ported to be a third witness against me, and L. C. J. Did she say there were, or that she then I raked up every trifle; but if I had heard there were several priests and Jesuits thought it treason, I would have discovered it coming over. before. And as to that particular business Gadbury. My lord, I think she said she heard concerning Mr. Smith, that Smith some time it. And I have said several times to ber, the since did come to me, being my old acquaint-popish Plotters would be destroyed : But she ance, to ask my advice in his affairs; and be answered, she was afraid the nation would be had an affair of so great moment, that it was destroyed first. necessary to ask my advice in it, which was to L. C. J. Did she say she was afraid of it, or go to the lords in the Tower. I asked him, that the nation would be destroyed first ? I ask what to do? Saith he, I can say enough against you once more, we must try people according Dr. Oates to serve them, and take off his evi- to their oaths. By the oath you have taken, dence, and asked me if he should do it. By when you said you thought the popish Plotters no means, Mr. Smith, said I. Mrs. Cellier would be destroyed, what answer did she make? afterwards told me this Smith and one Phillips Gadbury. She said she was afraid the nation were willing to tell some stories or other of Mr. would be so; because she said, abundance of Oates and Mr. Bedloe, and I told her this very the best of the nation went into other nations, story; saith she, You being acquainted witi to weaken our nation, and spend their money, him, it is possible you may do some good upon and therefore she was afraid the nation would him; and saith she, I had as lieve as 10 gui- be destroyed hefore them. neas that you could do it.
L. C. ). What discourse had you with Mrs. L. C. J. That is, when that you advised Mr. Cellier passing through Westminster-Abbey? Smith not to meddle with any thing against Dr. Gadbury. My lord, my memory hath been Oates.
xceedingly bruised; but I remember, my lord Gudbury. She said, she did not care if she as I was going through the Abbey in a rainy afterhad been at the charge of 10 guineas, if he noon, she said this Abbey was formerly filled with would be honest and discover the truth. And, Benedictine monks, or something to that purmy lord, she did say she had heard Mr. Danger- pose; and, saith she, what if it should be so field talk of a Nonconformnists Plot that would again? off the Popish Plot.
L. C. J. Are you a protestant or a papist ? L. C. J. Did she say that she had heard Gadbury. A Protestant, my lord. Dangerfield say there was a Nonconformists L. C. J. He talks as like a papist as can be, Plot, and that he was to have a commission was it,' what if it should be filled "'. among them? And did she say, that she bad heard Gadbury. She said, what if it should be him say, that he hoped under the colour of that again? the Popish Plot would go on? Or did she say L. C. J. What did you say to that? it of her own accord, that she hoped that would Gadbury. I only smiled to hear a woman's carry on the Popish Plot?
lord Gadbury. My lord, I cannot remember par
L. C. J. You make all the company laugh: ticulars.
What did she say of the Temple? L. C. J. There is a great deal of difference Gadbury. That the Teinple bad been filled between Dangerfield's saying it, and her say with friers too.
L. C. J. And what then? Did she talk of Gadbury. I have no reason to spare her : filling it again ? But I am unwilling to speak any thing ihat is Gadbury. Saith she, this place was filled contrary to truth, though she hath done me with Benedictine inonks, and the Temple with the greatest injury in the world.
friers. L.C. J. How come you to enlk of a Noncon- L. C. J. This may do well enough : But what formists Plot.
did she say else concering the Teinple? Gadbury. It was only common discourse, Gadbury. Nothing, iny lord. as it was at coffee houses.
Serj. Maynard said something to him here, Just. Raymond. Had you heard of it before she which was not heard, but, spake of it, that you say it was common. Mr. Gadbury replied, Mr. Serjeant, I was
Gadbury. No, not till she spake of it. none of the tribe of forty-one.
Here Mr. Gadbury was going to read in his Just. Raymond. What did she ask else? Paper; but the court told him that would not Gadbury. Only that question. be allowed; but he might refresh bis memory L.C. J. How often do you believe she spake with it.
of it. L. C. J. Now tell me what she said; Mr. Gadbury. Never, my lord, but when he was Gadbury keep it in your hand.
ill. I will not baffle any thing that may conGadbury. My lord, she put it by way of duce to the safety of the king and kingdom. interrogation to feel my pulse.
L. C. J. Indeed it is very conducible to the L. C.J. What did sbe else?
safety of the king and kingdom, if any, gu Gadbury. There was nothing but transient about to destroy bim, and with evil intentions discourse, my lord.
to ask how long he will live, and you ought in L C. J. We most ask you what the truth is, duty to God and your sovereign to declare it. and you have looked upon your paper. Now Did she ever make any enquiries about the consider what you say, and consider that you are king's death more than what you have said? upon a solemii occasion, and are to testify it Gudbury. No more, my lord ; and then she in the presence of God Almighty. I would was fearful he would die. have you tell plainly what it is, and neither to L. C. J. Did she say she would go to somemade it more, nor stifle it.
body else? Godbury. It was only transient discourse. Gatbury. My lord, when she perceived me
L.C. J. Say what it was. Was it, “This shy, she said, I see you are afraid of me, I will place was ouce filled with Benedictine monks?' go to some other astrologer.
Gudhury. She said that the Abbey had been L. C. J. For what? filled win Benedictine monks, as the Temple Gadbury. To satisfy her curiosity, as a great had with friers. Just. Jones. Look upon your paper.
L. C. J. What curiosities did she ask besides L. C. J. You have looked upon the paper, this? and pray tell us what she said. Did she say she Gadbury. She would ask me sometimes hoped to see this place filled with Benedictines ? about the condition of todies, whether they
. Gadbury. My lord, I do not remember that would be prosperous in the world, anil several word 'bape.'
other questions. L.C. J. How long have you been acquainted L. C. J. Were you nice in these curiowith Mrs. Cellier?
sities? Gadbury. Ten or a dozen years.
Gadbury. Truly, my lord, I was shy of medL. C. J. Did she never ask you any ques-dling with any thing, when I heard there was a tions about the life of the king ?
talk about plots. Gadbury. My lord, when the king was very L. C. J. Was you nice to give her satisfaction ill at Windsor, and all the people were fear- according to her hopes conce
cerning these things ful that he would die, she did move the you call curiosities, questioving whether one question to me.
should be well wed, how many children she L. C. J. What question ?
should bave, &r. Were you scrupulous in that? Gadbury. To know, whether I thought his Gudbury. I think I night not be nice in that majesty would live or die? But it was her fear very particular. that he would die.
L C. J. How came it, then, that she would L. C. J. Had you seen the king ?
go to another astrologer ? Gadbury. No, my lord.
Gadbury. She asked me something about L.C.J. How then did she expect you should Mr. Dangerfield. give her an answer? Froin your art?
L. C. J. For what? Gudbury. From my art, my lord !
Gadbury. How to get him out of prison. L. C. J. Did she desire you to consult your L. C. ). Pray how came she io say she art, how long the king would live?
would yo to another astrologer ? you were not Gadbury. She did as I said.
shy to give her an answer to idese questions? L. C. J. What did you say to that?
Gadbury. It was something about Mr. Gadbury. I would not tell ber, because he Dangerfield, my lord, she asked me something was my sovereign.
about some deeds or papers which he was to L. C. J. What ansver did you make? search for, or seize, whichi concerned Mr. BedGadbury. I told her I would not medule low. with it.
L. C. J. She had better have gone to one of 1. C. J. She would have bad you consult the clerks than to a conjurer for them. But your art or scheme, or whatever it is, to know why would she go to another astrologer? whether the king would live or die ?
Gudbury. Because I was shy. Gudbury. It was something of that.
L. C.J. You were not shy in these things L. C. J. And you said you would not med about Bedlow. Did she not say, when you redle nor make with it?
fused to nieddle with the death of the king, that Gadbury. Yes, my lord.
she would go to another astrologer ? I C. J. She desired you to make a scheme? Gadbury. Yes, my lord.
Godbury. No, my lord, I can't say she men. L. C. J. Did you any thing for her at that Looned a scheme, but she asked the question.
Gadbury. My lord, I did calculate a scheme L. C. J. Is this the same man? which since I found to be for Mr. Danger- Briscoe. I do believe it is the same man ; field, but I knew not for whom it was when I but I have not seen him these several years. did it.
L. C. J. Let every body have their right, L.C.J. How! Can you apply one scheme to in God's name. Have you any more? any body?
Mrs. Cellier. My lord, I can prove bim perGadbury. My lord, when Mrs. Cellier came jured. to me, she gave me the time of a person's nati- L. C. J. Have you any records to shew he vity, and I set the figure of the heavens to that was perjured? Is he convicted ? sigo, to know whether he were a person fit to Mrs. Cellier. No. be trusted, her husband being a French Mer- L. C. J. Then you cannot do it. chant, to get in inoney.
Mrs. Cellier. My lord, I can prove him L. C. J. For oughi you know, Dangerfield guilty of forgery. . was a woman, and the question was, whether L. C. J. If you do not produce the record, Dangerfield was with child, and he happens to you do nothing. be a man. How did it fall out?.
Mr. Recorder. (Sir George Jefferies.) That Gadbury. I have forgotten, iny lord. which she calls forgery, is not that which the
*L. C. J. When did you know it was for Dan- law calls forgery; it is counterfeiting Guineas. gerfield?
L. C. J. Can you shew he forged any deeds? Gadbury. My lord, never before I came be- If you can prove that be bath committed forfore the king and council ; neitber did I know gery, and be not convicted, it is no error. his game before, for he went by the name of L. C. J. Have you your pardon ? she bath Willoughby before.
proved the conviction of felony, prove your L. C. J. What other discourse had
with pardon. her? Did she not at anytiine talk of Mr. Dug- Mrs. Cellier. I have the copies of several dale ?
records here in court, which will be sworn to. Gadbury. She did say she had heard of some To which Mr. Dangerfield pleaded his mapeople that were to discourse with Mr. Dug: jesty's most gracious pardon. To which Mrs. dale; she had heard such a thing, but I do Cellier replied, That she bad a copy of the not know whether she knew any thing of it, said pardon in court, but it did not extend to
some of the crines for which he stood convictL C. J. What discourse had
ed; and then produced a record, wherein it did Gadbury. She told me there was a woman to go down to Windsor to beg Mr. Dugdale's which the court commanded Mr. Dangertield
appear he was outlawed upon a felony. Upon pardon, for he was penitent for what he had to go and fetch i:is pardon; in the interim exasaid in some trial or other.
mining several of the king's witnesses. L. C. J. Call another witness. Att. Gen.* (Sir Creswel Levinz.) Mr. Dan.
Thomas Williamson sworn. gerfield, pray give the court an account of L. C. J. Did you ever see Dangerfield and what you know o: Mrs. Cellier, the prisoner at Mrs. Cellier in company? the bar.
Williamson. No, my lord, but I have been Mrs. Cellier. My lord, I except against that einployed for Mrs. Cellier in several businesses witness.
of charity to get prisoners out. When Mr. L. C. J. Why su ? You must shew some Dangerfield was in Newgate, she employed ine reason, and tbco we will do you justice in God's to get him out.
L. C. J. Why was she so kind to DangerMrs. Cellier. If I can prove he was whipped field? and transported, piiloried, perjured, &c. he is Williamson. My lord, I don't know that ; no witness. The last time I was upon my trial but she bid me get him out whosoever staid he threatened some of iny witnesses, that if they behind. would not swear as he would have them, le Justice Raymond. Why should she get him would kill them.
out? Did she tell you what she would do with L. C. J. If you can shiew any record where him when she had him out? by he is convicted of any thing that can by law Williumson. No, my lord. Lake away bis testimony, do it.
Recorder. We bring him for a witness, that Mrs. Cellier. He has been indicted for bur- she had a great kindness for Dangerfield. glary. L. C. J. (To Mr. Dangerfield) Was you in
Margaret Jenkens sworn. dicted for burglary?
L. C. J. What discourse have you heard be. Mr. Dangerfield. I will take it at their prouf.tween Dangerfield and Cellier?
Jenkins, I never saw them together but Ralph Briscoe, a witness for the defendant,
twice. It is a year since I came froin them.
L. C. J. When you saw thein at dinner or L.C.J. Do you know Dangerfield ? supper together, what other company was
Briscoe. I remember one Thomas Danger- there?
L. C. J. What did they talk about?
L. C. J. What say you to this outlawry? Jenkens. They were talking about the pri. Recorder. It is not the same person. soners that were condemned.
L. C. J. We ought to be very careful in L. C. J. Where was it, at her house? these concerns, else we may do a work this Jenkens. No, at my lady Powis's house. day may make all the kingdom rue it. It is a L. C. J. How came you there?
sad thing that people of a vicious profligate life, Jenkens. I carried notes backwards and for both before they came to Newgate, and all wards.
along in their life-tiine, should be suffered to L. C. J. Did you never hear no discourse be witnesses to take away the life of a woman, about the Plot?- Jenkens. No.
I question whether he will come again or no, be Susan Edwards sworn.
hath been gone a great while. Such are fit to
be employed to find out, but hard to be beRecorder. What intimacy have you known | lieved when they find out. between Dangerfield and Mrs. Cellier ?
L. C. J. Captain Richardson, is this the man L. C. J. Did you ever see them together?! that broke Chelmsford gaol ?
Edwards. Yes, very often, my lord. She said, Capt. Richardson. My lord, I can say no. That the Popishi Plot would turn to a Presby- thing to that, but he was brought by an Habeas terian Plot.
Corpus from thence to me. L. C. J. Who did she say that to? To Dan- L. C. J. Was he burnt in the hand for fe. gerfield
lony ? Edwards. No, my lord; but I have heard
Capt. Richardson. Yes, my lord, I beliere him say those words, and that he would make he was. it his interest it should be so.
L. C. J. He made me believe as though be L. C. J. What did you say to him, when he would fly, I believe he is. We will not hoodsaid he must turn rogue and discover all their wink ourselves against such a fellow as this, Plots?
that is guiity of so notorious crimes. A man Edwards. I said, he would be no greater of modesty, after he hath been in the pillory, rogue than he was before.
would not look a man in the face. It appears L. C. J. You were pretty niinble with him. that after he hath been burnt in the hand, he Edwards. He thought he should be hanged. hath been outlawed for felony, and so it doth L. C. J. For what? Edwards. If he did not turn rogue be thought
appear by Record. he should be hanged.
[After about half an hour's stay, Mr. DanEdwards to Mrs. Cellier. You were very gerfield returned and brought his Pardon ; often together in your chamber,
which was read, and the word Felony omitted; Mrs. Cellier. Who gave you your
and instead of « Utlagaria qualiacunque pro feEdwards. Her husband was gone to church loniis quibuscunque, there was only inserted, one morning, and he was with her in her • Omnia maleficia et utlagaria qualiacunque ;' chamber.
which omission had made the Pardon defecL. C. J. I can't see why you should prove
tive, it being my Lord Chief Justice's opinion this matter too far.
that the word · Utlagaria’ did only reach to Recorder. Susan is a civil young woman.
Outlawries between party and party; by Edwards. She said she would do iny busi- which his Evidence was wholly laid aside.*] ness for me, and I go in danger of my life.
* In the second volume of Mr. Ilargrave's Bennet Duwdal sworn.
Juridical Arguments and Collections, p. 221, is L. C. J. What do you know of any intimacy a very elaborate and learned argument on the between Dangerfield and Mrs. Cellier? effect of the king's pardon of perjury; in which
Dowdal. I have seen them together, the law respecting the king's power or prerogaL. C.J. What did they talk about? tive of pardoning, is investigated with very
Dowdal. Mrs. Cellier proposed a match be- great ability. Of the Case before us, Mr. Hartween Mrs. Mary Ayrey and I, and they used grave writes thus : to talk of that when I was with them. L. C. J. Did they talk of the Plot at any keeper North, whilst Chief Justice of the Com
“ Another authority is the opinion of lord time?
mon Pleas, or rather of him and the other Dowdal. No. L. C. J. Did you ever hear them talk of the Nicholas
Reading [ante p. 259, of this voor
judges present. It appears in the trial of Mr. king ?-Dowdal. No. 1. C. J. Have you any more?
lume.] The trial was before Commissioners of Recorder. Not till Mr. Dangerfield comes.
Oyer and Terminer in April 1679. It was one
of the trials on account of the Popish Plot, as it L. C. J. to Mrs. Cellier. Have you any Re
was stiled. cord to shew he was put in the pillory?
Mr. Readiug was indicted for corMrs. Cellier. Yes, my lord.
ruptly endeavouring to persuade Wm. Bedlow,
so notorious as one of the principal witnesses [Upon which the copy of a Record from in that mysterious and unintelligible business, Salisbury was read, of his standing on the pil- not to give evidence against lord Stafford and lory for uttering counterfeit guineas: As also a other Roman Catholics. After Bedlow's being copy of a Record of an Outlawry for Felony.] for some time under examination; Mr. Read
(1054 L. C. J. to Mr. Dangerfield. Such fellows Justice Jones. Indeed, if he be the same as you are, sirrah, shall know we are not afraid man, he is not fit for a witness. of you. He produces us here a Pardon by the L.C. J. And that he is the same man is very name of Thomas Dangerfield of Waltham, and notorious. Come, Mrs. Cellier, what have you says, bis father and kinsman are both of that more to say? name and place. . Will you have him sworn, Mrs. Ceilier. Enough, my lord. whether his father or cousin Thomas were ever L. C. J. You have said enough already. convicted of felony? It is notorious enough Come, gentlemen of the jury, this is a plain wbat a fellow this is, he was in Chelmsford case ; here is but one witness in a case of treagaol. I will shake all such fellows before I son, and that not direct ; therefore lay your have done with them. Have you any more to heads together. say? are there any Waltham men here? Dangerfield My lord, this is enough to dis
[Which being done, they returned her Not courage a man from ever entering into an honest Guilty: Upon which the Clerk of the
bid her down on her knees; which she did, aud L. C. J. What? Do you with all mischief cried,, God bless the king and the duke of that hell bath in you, think to brave it in a court of justice? I wonder at your impudence, L. C. J. Where is Dangerfield? Is he gone? that you dare look a court of justice in the face, Call him. after having been made appear so notorious a Who being come, the Court asked if he had villain.
bail for his good behaviour? ing, to disqualify Bedlow from further testimony, King's bench at the time, adds what is not asked him, whether he had not laid in provi-noticed in the printed trial, namely, that it was sions of fire to burn the city of Westminster.' debated, whether, in case of conviction of a
This question was objected to, because it was felony, a pardon would restore the person to be making Bedlow the accuser of himself. It was a good witness : and that Lord Chief Justice also objected to, because he had the king's Scroggs and himself were of opinion against pardon. To this latter objection, Mr. Reading the pardon's restoring the credit. However, answered, that though the king's pardon re- sir Thomas adds, that the judges Jones and mitted the punishment, it did not hinder ob Dolben were contra : and that, on considering jecting to invalidate his testimony: and that, lord Hobart's Report of the before-mentioned notwithstanding the pardon, he was not a law. Case of Cuddington and Wilkins, he sir Thomas ful witness. But Mr. Reading was inforined Raymond came over to their opinion. What by lord North, that there was this dilemma also very mach detracts from the weight of against the question. If Bedlow had not a Scroggs's opinion is, that, though in the early pardon he was in danger of death from answer- trials for the Popisb Plot be acied like a zealot ing the question. If he had a pardon, it took in the cause of the prosecutions ; yet having away as well all calumniy, as liableness to pu- afterwards discovered the aversion of the king nishment, and so set hiin right against all. and courtiers to the prosecutions, he became a Accordingly Bedlow was held to be a lawful convert to their side of the question; and in witness at all events; and his examination pro- the latter trials, one of which was that of Mrs. ceeded.
Cellier, he was as bitter and outrageous against “ The next authority I find is the opinion of the crown witnesses, as he had before been the King's-bench, on the trial of Mrs. Cellier against the prisoners. Of such a judge the for high treason at the bar of that court in opinions deserve little attention. Whoever also Triu. Term, 1680. Mrs. Cellier was one of reads the Trial of Colman in the State Trials, and those accused as a party to the Popish Plot in the Trial of Mrs. Cellier in the same work, will, the latter stage of the disgraceful prosecutions I presume, sufficiently see the justice of this on that account. Dangerfield, a man of the censure; and will easily give credit to the semost infamous character, was adduced as a vere character Mr. Roger North in his witness to prove the charge. But it was ob- Examen, notwithstanding all his strong prejujected against bis being received as witness, dices for the king and court, exhibits of Scroggs that he had been several times convicted of on the same account; and will not be sure cheating, and had been set upon the pillory, prized, that Scroggs's gross behaviour on the and had been whipped : and when he would Trials for the Popish Plo: should form one of have produced a pardon of those offences, Mrs. the articles for which he was impeached by the Cellier produced against bin a conviction of Commons in January 1680-1." felony, upon which he had been burnt in the
This Case of Cellier is considered in other hand, and an outlawry for another felony; and both the conviction and the outlawry were out parts of Mr. Hargrave's learned argument. See of the pardon; and his testimony was set aside. p. 263, 263, of the volume above referred to. This is the account in sir Thomas Raymond's Some account of Scroggs will be found in a Reports, 369: and the couri's refusal of Note to the Proceedings against the latter in Dangerfield as a witness appears also in the ibis same year, 1680, infra. trial printed in the State Trials. But sir * See her Trial for a Libel in September folThomas Raymond, who was a judge of the lowing.