Bar. Yea. Cus. Then would your testimony not be taken. Arch. Why, Man, the book is no part of the oath, it is but a ceremonie. Bar. A needlesse and wicked ceremonie. Arch. Why know yow what yow say? Know yow what book it is? It is the Bible. Bar. I wil sweare by no Bible. Cus. Scismaticks are clamorous alwayes, it is a perpetual note to know them by. Arch. Mr. Dr. Cussins saith true, such were the Donatistes alwayes in the counsels, and such art thow, and all other scismaticks such as thow art. Bar. Say yowr pleasure, God forgiue yow; I am neither scismatick Arch. Wil yow lay your hand in my hand, and sweare? Arch. Wil yow lay your hand on that table, and sweare? Arch. Wil yow hold vp your hand towards heauen, and sweare? Arch. Why, yow hold it lawful to lay yowr hand on the table and sweare! Bar. Yea, so it be not commanded, and made of necessitie. Arch. Why, the booke is the like: It is nothing of the othe, but a thing indifferent, Bar. If it be nothing of the othe, why doe yow so peremptorilie inioyne it? And if it be indifferent, as yow say it is, then doe I wel in not vsing it. Arch. Nay, yow doe not wel in refusing it, for therin yow shew yowr self disobedient to the higher powers, set over yow by God. Bar. Euen now yow said, it was a thing indifferent; if it be so, ther is no power can bring me in bondage to my libertie. Arch. Where finde yow that? Bar. In S. Paul, 1 Cor. The Arch Bishope, Archdeacon, Dr. Cussins, al denied it; I affirmed it. A litle Testament, in Greek and Latine, was brought me, and a Bible. I looked for the place, but could not finde it; Great fault was in my memorie; for I looked in the x. chapter, neither, indeed, could I bethinke me where to finde it, they so interrupted me. Arch. Yowr devinitie is like yowr law. Bar. The word of God is not the worse for my il memorie. Bar. I have smal cause to be prowd of my memorie, yow see the default of it, but the apostle saith it. Againe they al denyed it. Yow then haue no cause to condemne my memorie, seing yow al haue vtterly forgotten this sayeng. Then repeated I the words: Al things are law ful for me, but I wil not be brought in bondage to my libertie. Then they recited, Rom. xiv. and 1 Cor. viij. Al thinges are lawful for me, but al thinges are not expedient. I said, I meant not that place. Arch. I would like it wel, if yow cited your place in Greek or Latine. Bar. Why yow vnderstand English: Is not the word of God in English? Then Cussin began to speak of indefinita propositio, but, wherevpon, I cannot cal to remembrance. I told him, we were now about the New Testament; it might be, if he had asked me that question when I knew him in Cambridge, I should then haue answered him. He forthwith called to remembrance of what howse I was. Arch. Were yow then of Cambridge? Bar. Yea, I knew yow there. He said he was there before I was borne. I said it might be. Then he entred into discourse of his antiquitie. Then he asked me if I had read books, as Calvin, Beza, &c. I answered, that I had read more then ynough; but yet I know not why I am emprisoned. Arch. It was reported, that yow come not to church, are disobedeent to her Maiestie, and say that ther is not a true church in England. What say yow, haue yow, at any time, said thus? Bar. These are reportes; when yow produce your testimonie, I wil answer, Arch. But I wil better beleeue yow, vpon yowr oath, then them; how say yow, Wil you sweare? Bar. I wil know what I sweare to, before I sweare. Arch. First sweare; and then, if any thing be vnlawfully demaunded, yow shal not answer. Bar. I haue not learned so to sweare, I wil first know, and consider of the matter, before I take an oath. Thus many thinges being alleaged to and fro by vs, the Arch Bishope commaunded Cussin to recorde, that I refused to sweare vpon a book. Bar. Yea, and set downe also, that I wil not sweare thus at random; but first I wil know and consider of the thinges I sweare vnto, whither they require an oath, Arch. Wel, when were yow at church? Bar. That is nothing to yow. Arch. Yow are a scismatick, a recusant, a seditious person, &c. with many such like. Bar. Say what yow list of me, I freelie forgiue yow. Arch. I care not for yowr forgiuenes. Bar. But, if yow offend me, yow ought to seek it, while yow are in the with me. way Arch. When were yow at church? Bar. I haue answered that in an other place, it belongeth not to yow. Arch. Why, are you indited? Bar. I am. Arch. Yet belongeth it to vs; I wil not onely medle with yow, but arraigne yow as an hereticke before me. Bar. Yow shal doe no more then God wil: Erre I may, but hereticke wil I neuer be. Arch. Wil yow come to church hereafter? Bar. Future thinges are in the Lords handes; if I doe not, you haue a law. Arch. Haue yow spoken these wordes of the Church of England? Bar. When yow produce your witnesse, I wil answer. Arch. But, vpon your oath, I will beleeue yow. Bar. But I wil not accuse my self. Then began he againe to charge me with scisme, sedition, heresie. Bar. Yow are lawlesse; I had rather yow produced yowr witnesse..: Arch. Of what occupation are yow? Bar. A Christian. Arch. So are we al. Bar. I deny that. Arch. But are yow a minister? Bar. No. Arch. A schoolmaister? Bar. No. Arch. What then, of no trade of life? Bar. In yowr letter, yow know my trade in the superscription.. Areh. Yow are then a gentleman? Bar. After the manner of our countrie, a gentleman. Arch. Serue yow any man? Bar. No, I am Gods freeman. Arch. Haue yow landes? Bar. No, nor fees. Arch. How liue yow? Bar. By Gods goodnes, and my freinds. Arch. Haue yow a father aliue? Bar. Yea. Arch. Wher dwelleth he, in Norffolke? Arch. Where dwel yow, in London? Bar. No. Arch. Wel, can yow finde sufficient suretie for your good behauiour? Bar. Yea, as sufficient as yow can take. Arch. What, yow cannot haue the Queene? Bar. Neither can yow take her; she is the iudge of her law, yet, for my good behauiour, I suppose I could get her word. Arch. Doth she know yow then? Bar. I know her. Arch. Els were it pitie of Bar. Not so. your life. Arch. Can yow haue any of these, that came with yow, to be bound for yow? Bar. I know not, I thinke I can. Arch. What know yow them not? Arch. What is he? Bar. A gentleman of Graies-ynne, Arch. What cal yow him? Arch. But know yow what bonde yow should enter; yow are bound, hereby, to frequent our churches. Bar. I vnderstand yow of my good behauiour. Arch. And in it is this conteyned; and so yow had forfeyted your bonde at the first. Bar. Wel, now I know your minde, I wil enter no such bonde. Arch. Wil yow enter bonde to appeare ou Tuesday next at our court, and so on Thursday, if yow be not called, and be bound not to depart, vntil yow be dismissed by order of our court? Bar. No. Arch. Then I wil send yow to prison. Then called he Watson, the pursuvant, and Dr. Cussins, a part into a windowe, where he made a warrant to send me to prison. Bar. Yow shal not touch one haire of my head, without the wil of my heauenly Father. Arch. Nay, I wil doe this to rectifie yow. Bar. Consider what yow doe, yow shal one day answer it, Arch. Yow wil not sweare; yow wil not enter bonde for your appear ance. Bar. I wil put in bonde for my baile in the prison, and for my true imprisonment. Arch. Nay, that wil not serue the turne. Mr. Doctor, enter these thinges. Then Cussins wrote, that I refused to sweare, and enter bonde. Bar. I wil send some to yow to conferre. Arch. That were more requisite before my imprisonment. So the Arch Bishope delivered me to the pursuvant, to carie me to the Gatehowse, where I as yet remayne, neither knowing the cause of my imprisonment, neither haue I as yet heard from him. I was no sooner out of his howse, but I remembred the place in controversie, it is written, 1 Cor. vi. 12. Al thinges are lawful for me, but al thinges are not profitable; I may doe al thinges, but I wil not be brought vnder the power of any thing. "The Lord knoweth to deliver the godly out of tentation, and to reserve the vniust vnto the day of iudgement vnder punishment.' The 27. of November, S. daies after I was committed by Cant. to the Gatehowse: I was sent for by one of his servantes, to make appearance before the high commissioners at Lambeth; whither he and my keepers man Nicholas caried me. There I found a very great traine without, but within a goodlie synode of bishops, deans, civilians, &c. beside such an appearance of well-fedde silken priestes, as I suppose might wel haue beseemed the Uaticane; where after to my no smal grief I had heard a scholemaister deny his maister Christ, I was called. Canterburie, with a grimme and an angrie countenance beholding me, made discourse how I refused to sweare on a book, &c. as fel out in our first meeting; and demaunded whither I were now better advised, and would sweare. I answered, that I would not refuse to sweare vpon due occasion and circumstances. Cant. Wil yow then now sweare? Cant. So yow shal afterward. Bar. I wil not sweare, vnlesse I know before. Cant. Wel I wil thus far satisfie your humour. London began to interrupt, but Canterburie cut him of, and produced a paper of objections against me, which he delivered to one Beadle to read. It conteyned much matter, and many suggestions against me, disorderly framed according to the malitious humour of mine accuser, as, That I denyed God to haue a true church in England; and to prove this, the four principle causes framed in way of argument, as, The worship of God with vs is idolatrie; ergo, no true church. They haue an antichristian and idolatrous ministerie; ergo no true church, ffurther he saith, that the Reverend Father in God, my Lords Grace of Canterbury, and al the bishops of the land, are antichristes. Further he saith, that all the ministers in the land are theeues and murtherers, and secret hypocrites, and that al the preachers of the land are hirelinges. That Mr. Wiggington and Cartwright straine at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Further, he condemneth all writers, as Calvin, Beza, &c. and saith, that al catechismes arc idolatrous, and not to be vsed. The reasons to these were vntruiie and disorderley set downe accordingly in the bil, which I cannot rehearse. Lond. How say yow, Mr. Deane of Pauls, here is for yow, yow haue written a catechisme? Cant. This fellow deales indifferently, he makes vs al alike. Thus far haue I satisfied yow; now yow know what yow shal sweare vnto ; how say yow, wil yow sweare now? Lond. My lordes grace doth not shew this favour to many. Cant. Fetch a book. Bar. It is needles, Cant. Why, wil yow not sweare now? Bar. An oath is a matter of great importance, and requireth great consideration. But I wil answer yow truly, much of the matter of this bil is true, but the forme is false. Cant. Goe to, Sirra, answer directlie, wil yow sweare? Reach him a book. Bar. Ther is more cause to sweare mine accuser: I will not sweare. Cant. Where is his keeper? You shal not prattle here, away with him; clap him vp close, close, let no man come at him: I will make him tel an other tale, yer I haue done with him, Ther was an article against me in the bil, for saying that I thought elders were bisshops, and Philip. i. 1. produced; here by I plainly discouer mine accuser to be Thornelie of Norwich with whom I had communication at Ware, as I rode to London, and never talked with any other about this matter. The effect, and so neere as my fraile memorie could cary away, the very wordes of such interrogatories and answers as were demanded of, and made by me Henry Barrowe, before certeyne commissioners ther vnto especially appointed by her Maiestie; namely the two lord cheef ustices, the maister of the rolles, the lord cheef baron, and another |