Betty Currie testified that she did not recall the President telling her that Ms. Lewinsky wanted her to hold some items. When asked if a contrary statement by Ms. Lewinsky-indicating that Ms. Currie had in fact spoken to the President about the gift transferwould be false, Ms. Currie replied: "She may remember better than I. I don't remember." (Grand Jury Testimony of Betty Currie, 5/6/ 98, p. 126, H. Doc. 105-316, p. 584). Further evidence before the Committee reveals that Betty Currie telephoned Monica Lewinsky and not the other way around regarding the gifts after the President and Monica Lewinsky discussed the gifts: Mr. SCHIPPERS: When Ms. Currie, when they wanted to get rid of the gifts, Ms. Currie went and picked them up, put them under her bed to keep them from anybody else. Another mission accomplished? Mr. STARR: That's right. Mr. SCHIPPERS: By the way, there has been some talk here that Monica said that she recalled that Betty Currie called her and said, either the President wants me to pick something up, or I understand you have something for me to pick up. Later, Ms. Currie backed off that and said, well, I am not sure, maybe Monica called me. In the material that you made available, you and your staff made available to us, there were 302s in which Monica said, I think when Betty called me, she was using her cell phone. Do you recall that, Judge Starr? Mr. STARR: I do. Mr. SCHIPPERS: And in that same material that is in your office that both parties were able to review and that we did, in fact, review, there are phone records of Ms. Currie; are there not? Mr. STARR: There are. Mr. SCHIPPERS: And there is a telephone call on her cell phone to Monica Lewinsky's home on the afternoon of December 28, 1997; isn't there? Mr. STARR: That is correct. Mr. SCHIPPERS: Once again, Monica is right and she has been corroborated, right? Mr. STARR: That certainly tends to corroborate Ms. Lewinsky's recollection. (Impeachment Hearing on Inquiry Pursuant to H. Res. 581, Thursday, November 19, 1998, Transcript pp. 407-409.) President Clinton testified about this subject before the grand jury on August 17, 1998: Question. After you gave her the gifts on December 28, 1997, did you speak with your secretary, Ms. Currie, and ask her to pick up a box of gifts that were some compilation of gifts that Ms. Lewinsky would have Answer. No, sir, I didn't do that. Question. * * * to give to Ms. Currie? Answer. I did not do that. (Grand Jury Testimony of Question 27. Do you admit or deny that on or about December 28, 1998 [sic], you requested, instructed, suggested to or otherwise discussed with Betty Currie that she take possession of gifts previously given to Monica Lewinsky by you? Answer. I do not recall any conversation with Ms. Currie on or about December 28, 1997, about gifts I had previously given to Ms. Lewinsky. I never told Ms. Currie to take possession of gifts I had given Ms. Lewinsky; I understand Ms. Currie has stated that Ms. Lewinsky called Ms. Currie to ask her to hold a box. See Supp. at 531. Reference. See Request for Admission No. 24 (H. Doc. 105-311, p. 872). See also Currie quote as set forth in Request for Admission No. 26 (H. Doc. 105-316, p. 584). Question 28. Do you admit or deny that you had a telephone conversation on January 6, 1998, with Vernon Jordan during which you discussed Monica Lewinsky's affidavit, yet to be filed, in the case of Jones v. Clinton? Answer. White House records included in the OIC Referral reflect that I spoke to Mr. Jordan on January 6, 1998. Supp. at 1886. I do not recall whether we discussed Ms. Lewinsky's affidavit during a telephone call on the date. Reference. The record indicates that such a conversation may have occurred. See Telephone Calls, Table 35, included in Appendix G as referenced in note 928, H. Doc. 105-310, p. 108 (Vernon Jordan telephones the President less than 30 minutes after speaking with Monica Lewinsky over the telephone about her draft affidavit). Question 29. Do you admit or deny that you had knowledge of the fact that Monica Lewinsky executed for filing an affidavit in the case of Jones v. Clinton on January 7, 1998? Answer. As I testified to the grand jury, "I believe that [Mr. Jordan] did notify us" when she signed her affidavit. App. at 525. While I do not recall the timing, as I told the grand jury, I have no reason to doubt Mr. Jordan's statement that he notified me about the affidavit around January 7, 1998. Ibid. Reference. The record indicates that the President had such knowledge: Question. “*** [Y]ou conveyed * * * both to Betty "I believe that he [Vernon Jordan] did notify us, I think, 30. Question. Do you admit or deny that on or about January 7, 1998, you had a discussion with Vernon Jordan in which he mentioned that Monica Lewinsky executed for filing an affidavit in the case of Jones v. Clinton? Answer. As I testified to the grand jury, "I believe that [Mr. Jordan] did notify us" when she signed her affidavit. App. at 525. While I do not recall the timing, as I told the grand jury, I have no reason to doubt Mr. Jordan's statement that he notified me about the affidavit around January 7, 1998. Ibid. Reference. The record indicates that such a discussion occurred: Question. Okay, do you believe that it would have been during one of these calls [phone conversations between the President and Vernon Jordan on January 7, 1998] that you would have indicated to the President that Ms. Lewinsky had, in fact, signed the affidavit? Answer. That, too, is a reasonable assumption." (Grand Jury Testimony of Vernon Jordan, 5/5/98, p. 224, H. Doc. 105-316, p. 1828). Question 31. Do you admit or deny that on or about January 7, 1998, you had a discussion with Vernon Jordan in which he mentioned that he was assisting Monica Lewinsky in finding a job in New York? Answer. I told the grand jury that I was aware that Mr. Jordan was assisting Ms. Lewinsky in her job search in connection with her move to New York. App. at 526. I have no recollection as to whether Mr. Jordan discussed it with me on or about January 7, 1998. Reference. The record indicates that such a discussion occurred: "I'm sure I said, 'I'm still working on her job [in New York]." To which Jordan quotes the President as responding, "Good." (Grand Jury Testimony of Vernon Jordan, 5/5/98, p. 226, H. Doc. 105-316, p. 1829). Question 32. Do you admit or deny that you viewed a copy of the affidavit executed by Monica Lewinsky on January 7, 1998, in the case of Jones v. Clinton, prior to your deposition in that case? Answer. I do not believe I saw this affidavit before my deposition, although I cannot be absolutely sure. The record indicates that my counsel had seen the affidavit at some time prior to the deposition. See Dep. at 54. Reference. The record indicates that the President was fully aware of the contents of the affidavit of Monica Lewinsky prior to his deposition on January 17, 1998: During the January 17, 1998 deposition of President Clinton in the case of Jones v. Clinton, Robert Bennett, President Clinton's attorney, after describing part of Monica Lewinsky's affidavit, stated, "I am not coaching the witness. In preparation of the witness for this deposition, the witness is fully aware of Ms. Jane Doe 6's affidavit, so I have not told him a single thing he doesn't know" (Deposition of President Clinton in the case of Jones v. Clinton, 1/17/ 98, p. 54). The testimony of Vernon Jordan also indicates that the President had knowledge of the affidavit: Question. *** [I]s it accurate that based on the conversations you had with [the President] already, you didn't have to explain to him [on January 7, 1998] what the affidavit was? Answer. I think that's a reasonable assumption." (Grand Jury testimony of Vernon Jordan, 5/5/98, p. 225, H. Doc. 105-316, p. 1828). Question 33. Do you admit or deny that you had knowledge that your counsel viewed a copy of the affidavit executed by Monica 52-759 98-8 Lewinsky on January 7, 1998, in the case of Jones v. Clinton, prior to your deposition in that case? Answer. I do not believe I saw this affidavit before my deposition, although I cannot be absolutely sure. The record indicates that my counsel had seen the affidavit at some time prior to the deposition. See Dep. At 54. Reference. The record indicates that the President's counsel viewed a copy of the affidavit and briefed the President. Frank Carter, Monica Lewinsky's former attorney, testified before the grand jury that he provided a copy of Monica Lewinsky's affidavit to Robert Bennett, President Clinton's attorney: Question. Did Monica ask you if she had shown or discussed the affidavit with either Vernon Jordan or Bennett before she signed it? Answer. I'm not sure. I'm not sure... Bob Bennett did not see this until-I believe Bob Bennett did not see this until the 15th of January when I sent him a copy."(Grand Jury Testimony of Frank Carter, 6/18/98, pp.112-13, H. Doc. 105-316, pp. 420-21). During the January 18, 1998 deposition of President Clinton in the case of Jones v. Clinton, Robert Bennett, President Clinton's attorney, after describing part of Monica Lewinsky's affidavit, stated, "I am not coaching the witness. In preparation of the witness for this deposition, the witness is fully aware of Ms. Jane Doe 6's affidavit, so I have not told him a single thing he doesn't know . (Deposition of President Clinton in the case of Jones v. Clinton, 1/ 17/98, p. 54 (as released in public sources)). Question 34. Do you admit or deny that you had knowledge that any facts or assertions contained in the affidavit executed by Monica Lewinsky on January 7, 1998, in the case of Jones v. Clinton were not true? Answer. I was asked at my deposition in January about two paragraphs of Ms. Lewinsky's affidavit. With respect to Paragraph 6, I explained the extent to which I was able to attest to its accuracy. Dep. at 202-03. With respect to Paragraph 8, I stated in my deposition that it was true. Dep. at 204. In my August 17th grand jury testimony, I sought to explain the basis for that deposition answer: "I believe at the time that she filled out this affidavit, if she believed that the definition of sexual relationship was two people having intercourse, then this is accurate." App. at 473. Reference. The record indicates that the President had such knowledge. In the affidavit executed in the case of Jones v. Clinton, Monica Lewinsky asserted the following: "I have never had a sexual relationship with the President, he did not propose that we have a sexual relationship. . . . The occasions that I saw the President after I left my employment at the White House in April, 1996, were official receptions, formal functions or events related to the U.S. Department of Defense, where I was working at the time. There were other people present on those occasions." (Affidavit of Jane Doe # 6, para. 8, H. Doc. 105– 311, pp. 1235-36.) During the January 17, 1998 deposition of President Clinton in the case of Jones v. Clinton, Robert Bennett, President Clinton's attorney, stated "Counsel is fully aware that Ms. Jane Doe #6 has filed, has an affidavit which they are in possession of saying that there is absolutely no sex of any kind in any manner, shape of form, with President Clinton. . . ." (Deposition of President Clinton in the case of Jones v. Clinton, 1/17/98, p. 54 (as released in public sources).) The Grand Jury Testimony of Monica Lewinsky, given under oath and following a grant of transactional immunity, confirmed that the contents of her affidavit were not true: Question. Paragraph 8 . . . [of the affidavit] says, "I have never had a sexual relationship with the President." Is that true? Answer. "No." (Grand Jury Testimony of Monica Lewinsky, 8/6/ 98, p. 204, H. Doc. 105-311, p. 924). Question 35. Do you admit or deny that you viewed a copy of the affidavit executed by Monica Lewinsky on January 7, 1998, in the case of Jones v. Clinton, at your deposition in that case on January 17, 1998? Answer. I know that Mr. Bennett saw Ms. Lewinsky's affidavit during the deposition because he read portions of it aloud at the deposition. See Dep. at 202. I do not recall whether I saw a copy of Ms. Lewinsky's affidavit during the deposition. Reference. The record indicates that the President was present when his attorney, Robert Bennett, read from the affidavit executed by Monica Lewinsky. (Deposition of President Clinton in the case of Jones v. Clinton, 1/17/98, p. 204 (as released in public sources).) Question 36. Do you admit or deny that you had knowledge that your counsel viewed a copy of the affidavit executed by Monica Lewinsky on January 7, 1998, in the case of Jones v. Clinton, at your deposition in that case on January 17, 1998? Answer. I know that Mr. Bennett saw Ms. Lewinsky's affidavit during the deposition because he read portions of it aloud at the deposition. See Dep. at 202. I do not recall whether I saw a copy of Ms. Lewinsky's affidavit during the deposition. Reference. The record indicates that the President had such knowledge. During the January 17, 1998 deposition of President Clinton in the case of Jones v. Clinton, Robert Bennett, the President's attorney, recited portions of the affidavit Monica Lewinsky had executed in the case of Jones v. Clinton. The President was present when the affidavit was read. (Deposition of President Clinton in the case of Jones v. Clinton, 1/17/98, p. 204 (as released in public sources)). Question 37. Do you admit or deny that on or about January 9, 1998, you received a message from Vernon Jordan indicating that Monica Lewinsky had received a job offer in New York? Answer. At some time, I learned that Ms. Lewinsky had received a job offer in New York. However, I do not recall whether I first learned it in a message from Mr. Jordan or whether I learned it on that date. Reference. The record indicates that President received such a message: |