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Considerations on the late Negotiation with France, in the Ilouse
Peers-Apology by Lord Grenville for the Omission of certai Papers in the Number of those laid before the House. - The Ends view, and the Principle on which the British Ministry acted durin the whole of the Negotiation --- Review of the Negotiation, in the foi different Stages into achich Lord Grenville divided it.-Causes of t1 Rupture of the Negotiation.- Address to His Majesty on the Subje of the Negotiation, mored by. Lord Grenville.- Observations on ti Address, and the Subject of the Address by Lord Ilawkesbury-Lo Sidmouth.-Lord Eldon-And the Earl of Lauderdale-Addre carried, Nem. diss.- Address to the same effect moved in the llou of Commons by Lord Ilowick,-Conduct of the English Ministry the Negotiation vindicated.-Speeches on the present Question Lord Yarmouth-Sir Thomas T'urton --Mr. Montague-Mr. Wh breux-Mr. Canning-Lord Henry Petty-and Mr. Perceval Address carried, Nem. diss.
THE subject of the negotiation there could be no doubt. The
1 being brought under the con. might be cases in which a natio sideration of the house of peers, actuated by views of sound polic according to the order of the day, might think it advisable to ma the 2d of January 1807,
great sacrifices for the purpose Lord Grenville rose, and said, that obtaining a peace that promis the documents in their lordships' to be permanent ; nay even, if hands, were fuller and more ample peace could not be considered than any that had been presented to permanent, it was worth the ma parliament on any former occasion ing sacrifices to obtain it, if of a similar nature. This would not promised a considerable interval have been necessary, if it had not tranquillity ; an interval which mi been for the very full, though not then be calculated upon, as serv equally correct statement, published to recruit and increase the busin by the French government. It of the country. But those who co would nevertheless be perceived by sidered the state of Europe for their lordships, that there were se. years, or, he might say, for thirts veral omissions in the papers, of or fourteen years past, must be ce instructions given to our ministers, vinced that there was no ratio which could not be supplied with. hope of any considerable interval out the risk of injury to ourselves, tranquillity following a treaty or our allies.-Lord Grenville pro. peace with France. It beca ceeded briefly to notice a few of the therefore, in this negotiation, a 1 leading principles that characterized cessary object to seek out for the negotiation which was the equivalent to be set up against t prbject of their discussion.
want of permanence, which m ibat peace was a desirable object, attend any peace ander such circu
stances. He was therefore of opic which had occurred during the war, nion, that the only basis on which and the situations in which they were we ought to treat with France, was placed in consequence of the vents that of actual possession. This coun. of that war. Of the former class of try being a great maritime and colo. our allies were Sweden and Portugal; nia power, and France a great and of the latter, Naples and the continental power, there would be elector of Hanover With respect 29 reciprocity of cession between to Sweden and Portugal, nothing the two powers, that could in any more was required than to guaranter degree tend to their mutual advan. to those powers their state of actual tage. The conquests made by this possession. The king of Nau es country, could be of no use to stood in a different situation. The France, unless she would become had been deprived by the power of
great commercial and colonial France of all his dominions on the porer: the conquests made by continent of Europe. Lord Creil. France, could be of no use to this ville had no hesitation in sayin, tat country, anless this country would he would have consented to rake become a great continental power. sacrifices, not merely valvalin
But, though the state of actual finance, in revenue, or ir commerce, possession was the only basis that but even sacrifices of safety and of appeared to his majesty's ministers strength, to procure the restoration to be a proper basis for their nego. of the kingdom to the king of Navies. fation with France, it did not follow But no sacrifices that we could that such a negotiation was to ex. make, could have been an equivalent ciade the necessary discussion of to France for the restoration of that squivalents to be given for certain kingdom.- .With respect to sicily, Cessions to be agreed on. And such the king of Naples was still in pos. a discussion became the more neces. Session of that island, or rather it sary where a negotiation involved was in the possession of a brave, and, the interests of allies. When his as it had been proved, an invincible majesty's present ministers came into British army. That army had en. etice, they found a treaty concluded tered the island with the consent of by their predecessors with Russia, the king of Naples, who had received by which each party bound itself not them there in the full confidence that to conclude peace without the con. they would defend it bravely, and sent of the other. That he con. that it would not be given up to the sidered as a wise, and a fair measure. enemy. Wouid it not therefe e. Bat, eren supposing that the treaty, have been an indelib'e disgrace to with Russia had not been wisely this country to have given up Sicily concluded, still the sacred engage. to France on her offer of an equi. Dent of the sovereign having been valent? It was not for us to harter gitaa to Russia, his majesty's mini. it away for any equivalent without iters were bound to fulfil its con. the consent of the sovereign. As to
Hanover, it was sacrificed to inus. Oar allies might be divided into tice on the part of France, for the tro classes : those to whom we are express purpose of injuring this bound by treaty ; and those to whom country. Wou'd it not ther fore, *t are bound by the circumstances be disgraceful in us not to insist on
the restoration of Hanover to its so. ing able, though they could not sepa vereign, from whom it had been rate Russia from this country, t taken, solely on account of its con- separate this country from Russia nection with this country? The re. And this was the third stage of th storation of Hanover, thus unjustly negotiation. seized, was therefore insisted upon The fourth and last stage of th as an indispensable preliminary to negotiation, was, when the Frend the negotiation. The principle on ministers, finding that Great Britai which ministry acted during the and Russia were inseparable ; 1 whole of the negotiation, was, that length agreed to the negotiation t of good faith to our allies : that of be carried on conjointly for the in the French government to effect a terests of Russia and Great Britai: separation between us and our They refused to agree to the tern allies : as clearly appeared from the asked on behalf of Russia, an negotiation from first to last, which again offered terms to this countr was divided into four stages. on the principle of a separate nego
The first, when we were offered tiation. The rupture of the nego terms, which might have been con. tiation followed of course. sidered as the fair price of peace; Had Russia insisted upon extra had we been concerned for ourselves vagant terms, or on points triffin only, but which were offered as the and uninteresting, it would ha price of dishonour, as the price of been painful to lord Grenville the desertion of Russia, our faith. have stated, that the rupture of ti ful ally.
negotiation arose from any such coi The second stage of the negoti. duct on the part of Russia. B ation was, when the French govern. the very contrary of all this was t| ment, partly by threats, partly by 'case. The terms insisted on 1 promises and inspiring hopes, con. Russia were very moderate, and d trived to persuade the Russian mini. rected only to the 'security of h *ster at Paris, M. D'Oubril to sign allies. She demanded the guarant
a separate treaty of peace. This of Sicily to the king of Naples, ar being done, there was in the tone of that the French troops should er the French government, a very ré. cuate Dalmatia, which was not n markable alteration. “No,” said cessary to the vast empire, obtain they to our ministers, “ we cannot by the arms of France, and cou now grant you the same terms we be held by this power, only were wil ing to do before. The sig- a post of offence towards Austi nature of a separate peace with and the Porte, and of hostility t Russia, is equiyalent to a splendid wards Russia. The guarantee victory.” An expression not loosely Sicily to the king of Naples w used in conversation, but forming a clearly a British object. That Ry part of the written sentiments of sia, in requiring the evacuation the French government upon that Dalmatia, confined her demand event.
that object, and did not make a d Tho French government, finding mand of the territory, was also the treaty would not be ratified, im. importance to this country as w mediately offered the English negoti. as to our ally. With this good fai ators better terms, in the hope of be. and moderation on the part
Russen, would it not have been an wanting on their part to support and indelible disgrace to this country, if assist him, in the adoption of such we had violated good faith on our measuros as might yet be found ne. part? And what were the terms cessary, either for the restoration of that were offered to us, as the price peace, or to meet the various ex. ef disgrace and dishonour ? We igencies of the war in that most im. Tere to keep, what the French could portant crisis." not without a naval superiority take The same motion, introduced by from us --Malta, the Cape of Good a speech to the same effect, was Hope, India, and the Island of made by lord Howick, in the house Tobazo !- It had been stated in the of commons, January 5.-Never repers now before the house, that if did any motion meet with more we had made peace at the period cordial and unanimous support in alluded to in the papers, the treaty either house, and yet nonc, perhaps, of the confederation of the Rhine, ever gave rise to a longer converwould never have been signed, or at sation ; which turned, for the most least, would not have been published. part, on the mode and course that It appeared however, that supposing had been pursued in the negotiation. Leace to have been concluded with in the house of peers, lord the utmost rapidity, after the ar. Hawkesbury expressed his complete risal of our ministers at Paris, the, concurrence with lord Grenville, on treaty could not have been signed the great points he had stated, but before the publication of the last at the same time said, that if he did German treaty. This very con- agree to the address, it must be with federation must unavoidably have some qua isications. It had been preceded the treaty, and supposing stated in his majesty's declaration, it to have happened the day after, it that the French, from the outset of would have necessarily been a cause the negotiation; had agreed to pro. for war.- Lord Grenville concluded ceed on the basis of actual posses. by moving, That an humble address sion, subject to the interchange of be presented to his majesty, to as such equivalents as might be for the sure his majesty that that house had advantage and honour of the two taken into serious consideration the countries. Now, he confessed, that papers relative to the late negotiation after a careful examination of the which he had been pleased to lay be. papers before them, he found no. fore them, and that they saw with thing in the whole of them, that Fatitude, that he had employed could be considered as a certain every means to restore the blessings and unequivocal foundation for such of peace, in a manner consistent with a declaration. Before the arrival of the interests and glory of his people, lord Yarmouth in London, the basis and at the same time, with an ob- of actual possession was so far from Serrance of that good faith with our being actually agreed on, that ano. allies, which this country was bound ther, very different, was expressly to retain in violate. That, while we stated to be the grounds. on which lamented that by the unbounded am. the French government would enter bution of the enemy, those laudable on a negotiation. Lord Yarmouth, andavours to his kingdom had been indeed, had given a statement in frustrated, no exertion should be writing, of a conversation he had
had had with Talleyrand, and he, no self, her power would sink to it doubt, believed that Talleyrand had natural level. Now, however, al proposed the basis of actual posses. the states to which he had alluded sion. The words were : 6Vous had been either completely sub l'avez, nous ne vous la demandons dued by France, or reduced withi paz." But in order to affix the comparatively narrow limits. !'per and precise meaning to these In 1801, the British governmen
ords, they ought to look at the wished to try the feelings of France $19, xt, and, this shews that the and to find out what would be tn 00: are noi general, and that they policy of its government on the re power y to Sicily. Ministry ought storation of peace. It might en
e Peranded a precise and deavour to acquire confidence a mataguricis recognition, of the basis home and abroad, which could bi ori.. , before they gave full done only by a system of modera 7:06P, 6.) iria to their negotiator. tion; or it might consider its se. Y#
most heartily COD. curity to lie in pursuing that system curry in the general result of the of aggression which had marked the negotiar'on, and with the above ex. progress of that revolution from ception joined in the address, and whence it had sprung. It hac in the assurances of support to his adopted the latter system : so tha majesty in prosecuting the war, scarcely three months had elapsed which it had been found impossible from the time of signing the treaty o impediately io pet an end to, on Amiens, till the spirit of the treaty grows in any degree consistent was violated by repeated aggres. with the security and honour of this sions. Ever since that time, these country, or the maintenance of good aggressions ha i been continued ; a! faith to our allies.
• an instance of which, their lordsbip! . His lordship proceeded to shew had only to look at the confedera.
both that the war was necessary, tion of the Rhine, to which lord and that we possessed the means of Grenville had adverted.--In con. supporting it. At the commence. sidering the question of peace or ment of the treaty with France in war, they would obserye, that whilo 1801, that country was in a very they continued at war they had at different situation from what it is in least this advantage, that whatever now. At that time, Holland and exertions France might make, they Switzerland, though subject to the must be confined to the continent of influence of France, were not com. Europe. But peace would open to pletely united to it. Naples was her the way to Asia, Africa, and entire, and Austria, though she had America. To these at least, he lost much of her military reputation, hoped, her power could not extend. was still a great power; and in Apother thing to be considered was, point of population and extent of that while we were at war, we were territory, equal to what she had on perfect equality with our enemies. been at the commencement of the We were as powerful by sea as they war with France. Many, there were by land. But if peace should fore, thought, and lord H. con. take place, from the very nature of fessed he had joined in the opinion, the two cases, their power would that if France were to be left to her. not be made less, while our